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      04-15-2015, 07:38 AM   #1
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Arrow BMW M Carbon Ceramic Brakes (CCB) - service PDF

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Over in the M2 forum we've been having a debate on the pro's and con's of CCB's. I mentioned that besides the visible CCB wear indicators you also must disassemble and weigh the ceramic rotors - for wear. Its not necessary to do that now - although there is a min ccb weight loss of 100 gram per rotor. Here are some interesting pdf's on checking for wear on CCB brakes. Its nice to have friend's at BMW AG.


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Thank you very much.
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Sweet.. Thanks for sharing.
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
I don't suppose you'd know unless you've driven a similar F80 with steel rotors, but can you not feel the reduced unsprung weight?
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They really should have painted the CCB calipers green, because that's what you need to buy them!
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I wouldn't even want to think about how much it costs to service/replace them...
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I wouldn't even want to think about how much it costs to service/replace them...
I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
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I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
Heh, I wish it was $5k in parts. You're at least 3 fold off.
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I love the way they look, but so far I regret the purchase because of this issue.
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1107233

1000 miles and the inner barrels of my front two wheels are all scratched up.
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The availability is nice, but the price is not.
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I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
Heh, I wish it was $5k in parts. You're at least 3 fold off.
8G's?!!! What's it cost with labor?!!!!
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They really should have painted the CCB calipers green, because that's what you need to buy them!
Well, they are gold....
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To be honest, I would rather have a 6 piston Brembo BBK than this CCB
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The functionality at this point only pays off if you are constantly tracking the car, but then again a Brembo or similar BBK will do the job as well without the heavy costs!
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
How limited is it, how many track days have you gotten out of them?
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Reduced unsprung weight is worth its weight in gold, no pun I would not be able to go back to steels now. Very nimble. The wheel fitment issue is a non issue I feel.



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If you are good enough to blow through the CCB's on track days then you will have a sponsor


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I got CCB because of no more brake dust.
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I love the way they look, but so far I regret the purchase because of this issue.
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1107233

1000 miles and the inner barrels of my front two wheels are all scratched up.
That's why there will be a 20" wheel option for 2016
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I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
Heh, I wish it was $5k in parts. You're at least 3 fold off.
8G's?!!! What's it cost with labor?!!!!
Add to this $8k another $15 and U are ready to replace all 4 corners haha
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