M2 vs M3/4 Actual Laptimes

[TheKosherStogie]

I used to own and M2, e92m3 and other cars (viperTA, 991GTS, 997.2 gt3 and BMWs. I rarely post in here but it's funny how many grumpy shit talking people are on the forum. Especially in the VS Threads. I appreciate all cars, sometimes the slower car is more fun to drive type. Hence I bought and m2 over m3/4 as I thought the steering was better, more responsive, the car felt smaller and more nimble/fun. I track all my cars. I buy what I find fun. But I laugh when I read some of the shit on her. So ...yes the m3/4 has more power but I don't think it's actually any faster on track (depending on track). We've seen randy Pobst run the m2 faster at streets of willow and BMW run m3/4 faster at the ring.

At my local tracks in SoCal I don't see any m3/4 going faster, if u do post it up (w/ similar basic mods..tires/coilovers/pads). Even my boy who drives as good or better than I either went as fast or slower in his f8xM3. Checked the lap time thread in here. Don't see any going faster either. Point being is it's not even about that, but what you'll enjoy more not for the douches who will say my car is faster or the badge whores. I have an 350R now and someone said "but it's a ford". To me that's the biggest douche, car snob, UNenthusiats thing to say. Applies same to but it's a 2 series....Ferrari owner will say but your m3 is just a 3 series. Enjoy your shit. Track it. Don't park hard. Or do wtf u want with it. Just don't be a fucking douche.

My M2 LapTimes

Buttonwillow
2:00:4 100% stock
1:59:6 KW/Carbotech/PSS
1:57:2 KW/Carbotech/Re71r

WSIR
1:32:4 stock w/ KW
1:30:6 KW/Carbotech/Re71r

Autoclub Speedway
1:49:6 KW / Re71r / Carbotech

[///M4ster Yoda]

What's the point of your post? Trolling?

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

What's the point of your post? Trolling?

Did you read it. Quite the opposite of trolling. Both cars are awesome and I hate the trolling idiots who just talk shit for no reason about any of them. That it's a solid car on track and puts up respectable times. Appreciate them. They're all awesome for their own reasons.

[Mthrice]

I agree with what your saying about appreciating each car for what it is, no doubt about it.

The only way to compare two cars is run them on the same day, at the same time, with the same tires, to eliminate any variables.

What you ran on a 50 degree day at bw13 with coilovers and stock tires is not comparable to what someone else in an m3/m4 ran at bw13 in 75 degree heat without coilovers and stock tires.

Another variable is what track your running. Im guessing at SOW you would win stock vs stock because of the nature of the track. Lots of slow speed turns, where a more nimble, lighter car would have an advantage. I would also say at bw13 you wouldn't win vs a m3/4 due to the higher speeds on that track.

my .02

[CanAutM3]

Both are great cars. I also don't dispute the fact that the M2 might be more enjoyable to drive on the street. But saying that it is faster than an M3/4 around a track when both are shod with proper track tires is a bit far fetched. They are very similar in terms of chassis sharing the same underpinnings. While the M2 is about 100lb lighter, the M3/4 has a 60 to 80 hp power advantage. That is quite significant from a power-to-weight perspective.

I've driven both on the same day/track and found my M4 to be significantly faster simply due to the power advantage. They are essentially the same car from a chassis perspective so cornering speeds were very close. So even if the M2 was slightly more eager on turn-in, it just could not make up for the speed differential at the end of the straights. BMW are not stupid, they designed it that way.

[DrtyJrze]

I'm not even sure what to take out of that wall of text. You don't post here often, and THAT'S what you come up with?

OP, seems like that rant was a vent session, you're all over the place. I hope you feel better after typing all that out.

Now, do you want to pay for this therapy session with cash or credit?

[Parabolica]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Both are great cars. I also don't dispute the fact that the M2 might be more enjoyable to drive on the street. But saying that it is faster than an M3/4 around a track when both are shod with proper track tires is a bit far fetched. They are very similar in terms of chassis sharing the same underpinnings. While the M2 is about 100lb lighter, the M3/4 has a 60 to 80 hp power advantage. That is quite significant from a power-to-weight perspective.

I've driven both on the same day/track and found my M4 to be significantly faster simply due to the power advantage. They are essentially the same car from a chassis perspective so cornering speeds were very close. So even if the M2 was slightly more eager on turn-in, it just could not make up for the speed differential at the end of the straights. BMW are not stupid, they designed it that way.

I could see the M2 being slightly faster on tighter circuits such as Shannonville, or st eustache due to the car being more agile and lighter but any track with longer straights the M4 would be ideal.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Parabolica

I could see the M2 being slightly faster on tighter circuits such as Shannonville, or st eustache due to the car being more agile and lighter but any track with longer straights the M4 would be ideal.

Maybe when both are on street tires. But even on those tighter tracks, I don't believe the M2 will be any faster when both are on r-comp tires.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Maybe when both are on street tires. But even on those tighter tracks, I don't believe the M2 will be any faster when both are on r-comp tires.

Why would the M2 be quicker if both in streets, but the M4 quicker if both on Rs?

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by Mthrice

I agree with what your saying about appreciating each car for what it is, no doubt about it.

The only way to compare two cars is run them on the same day, at the same time, with the same tires, to eliminate any variables.

What you ran on a 50 degree day at bw13 with coilovers and stock tires is not comparable to what someone else in an m3/m4 ran at bw13 in 75 degree heat without coilovers and stock tires.

Another variable is what track your running. Im guessing at SOW you would win stock vs stock because of the nature of the track. Lots of slow speed turns, where a more nimble, lighter car would have an advantage. I would also say at bw13 you wouldn't win vs a m3/4 due to the higher speeds on that track.

my .02

True has to be same day to be really even. But meant my buddys who track as much as I and were using same tires too. our cars were basically equal. Same track season too (through winter). So....

not exactly right but Randy P ran a 1:32:5 in an M3 at WSIR
I ran a 1:32:4 w/KW but stock pads, tires and didn't align the car. He's a professional...point being is they seem to be very very close

Originally Posted by DrtyJrze

I'm not even sure what to take out of that wall of text. You don't post here often, and THAT'S what you come up with?

OP, seems like that rant was a vent session, you're all over the place. I hope you feel better after typing all that out.

Now, do you want to pay for this therapy session with cash or credit?

hahahah yes after reading some of the comment/threads on this forum yes...,most just talk hypotheticals and never stepped foot on a track or just douchey comment on here...so yes why i rarely post anymore

Originally Posted by Parabolica

I could see the M2 being slightly faster on tighter circuits such as Shannonville, or st eustache due to the car being more agile and lighter but any track with longer straights the M4 would be ideal.

yes ideally the power difference would give the advantage.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Maybe when both are on street tires. But even on those tighter tracks, I don't believe the M2 will be any faster when both are on r-comp tires.

why? u think the M3 would take more advantage of being able to put more of its power down...guess that could make sense.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

Why would the M2 be quicker if both in streets, but the M4 quicker if both on Rs?

In my experience, the M4 struggles to put the power down with street tires, especially at lower speeds (tighter tracks), so it cannot fully take advantage of its power and torque advantage over the M2. The M2 can benefit from its lower weight and shorter wheelbase. I did say "maybe" though, meaning that I can understand why it is showing faster times than an M3/4 on some tighter tracks.

Put r-comps on both cars, both gain equally in cornering grip, but with the M3/4 being able to go on the power much sooner and stronger coming out of corners it will pull ahead of the M2.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

why? u think the M3 would take more advantage of being able to put more of its power down...guess that could make sense.

You answered your own question

[ixse]

1:49 at autoclub speedway? Roval? I doubt it unless you ran different track set up. Ive seen gt3s n gtr nismo w r comp tires run low 50s. Dont think m2 can run faster.

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by ixse

1:49 at autoclub speedway? Roval? I doubt it unless you ran different track set up. Ive seen gt3s n gtr nismo w r comp tires run low 50s. Dont think m2 can run faster.

Correct. The Roval.
My buddy in his f80m3 also ran 1:49
Paul in his white m2 on TD's ran 1:49 also
Friends GT3 on Hoosier 1:45.


Here's a couple laps. 1st lap is 1:51 (u can see GT3 cuts the turn after the Roval and I sort of did as I got caught up chasing him) 2nd lap is faster 1:50 (I make sure not to cut the turn since the barrel was missing) 1:49 was another day don't have video.

[OSee]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

Correct. The Roval.
My buddy in his f80m3 also ran 1:49
Paul in his white m2 on TD's ran 1:49 also
Friends GT3 on Hoosier 1:45.


Here's a couple laps. 1st lap is 1:51 (u can see GT3 cuts the turn after the Roval and I sort of did as I got caught up chasing him) 2nd lap is faster 1:50 (I make sure not to cut the turn since the barrel was missing) 1:49 was another day don't have video.

GT3 is a monster

[Caliboy951]

Those lap times don't lie and if I could get to low 50's/high 49's I'd be stoked. My first time on the roval was a 1:58.8. Next time you go to Autoclub let me know and school will be in session!

[///M///]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

I used to own and M2, e92m3 and other cars (viperTA, 991GTS, 997.2 gt3 and BMWs. I rarely post in here but it's funny how many grumpy shit talking people are on the forum. Especially in the VS Threads. I appreciate all cars, sometimes the slower car is more fun to drive type. Hence I bought and m2 over m3/4 as I thought the steering was better, more responsive, the car felt smaller and more nimble/fun. I track all my cars. I buy what I find fun. But I laugh when I read some of the shit on her. So ...yes the m3/4 has more power but I don't think it's actually any faster on track (depending on track). We've seen randy Pobst run the m2 faster at streets of willow and BMW run m3/4 faster at the ring.

At my local tracks in SoCal I don't see any m3/4 going faster, if u do post it up (w/ similar basic mods..tires/coilovers/pads). Even my boy who drives as good or better than I either went as fast or slower in his f8xM3. Checked the lap time thread in here. Don't see any going faster either. Point being is it's not even about that, but what you'll enjoy more not for the douches who will say my car is faster or the badge whores. I have an 350R now and someone said "but it's a ford". To me that's the biggest douche, car snob, UNenthusiats thing to say. Applies same to but it's a 2 series....Ferrari owner will say but your m3 is just a 3 series. Enjoy your shit. Track it. Don't park hard. Or do wtf u want with it. Just don't be a fucking douche.

My M2 LapTimes

Buttonwillow
2:00:4 100% stock
1:59:6 KW/Carbotech/PSS
1:57:2 KW/Carbotech/Re71r

WSIR
1:32:4 stock w/ KW
1:30:6 KW/Carbotech/Re71r

Autoclub Speedway
1:49:6 KW / Re71r / Carbotech

OP, I think what you were essentially trying to say was that appreciate a car for what it is and enjoy it. A car being faster or more $$ is not the best way to measure enjoyment of simply driving a car. I 100% agree with you. See my thread here...........

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1417114

But then...........
you had to go ahead and post lap times and start comparing the M2 to the M3 Now enjoy the shitstorm

[TheKosherStogie]

^hahaha exactly. And point being they're pretty close in certain aspects and have advantages in others. All comes down to preference. Enjoy them for those strong suits

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TheKosherStogie

I appreciate all cars, sometimes the slower car is more fun to drive type. Hence I bought and m2 over m3/4 as I thought the steering was better, more responsive, the car felt smaller and more nimble/fun. I track all my cars. I buy what I find fun.

This paragraph in a recent R&T article supports your point.

On track, this M2 was by far the most enjoyable choice among the swarms of different M cars available. Equipped with the Cup 2 tires, this car?s neutral handling shined, giving buckets of confidence through every corner of the track. Its predictability was unmatched, and with all of the traction systems turned off, the electronic limited-slip differential was able to sort out full-throttle corner exits nicely. It?s the car I?d take home if given the chance, hands-down.

[LLNM4]

Just code the M4 with EDC from the CS (call Alex for this) plus coding the GHAS steering, DCT and differential from GTS and try again. It's another ballgame.

[Sedan_Clan]

Damn that GT3!!!!!