M3CS vs AMG C63S Comparison Test

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by YUN

Next one will be V6 with electric motors

It's going to get the cla amg motor and electric motors. Maybe they can make it sound like the i8 with fake engine sound of a V8


https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/ne...v-8-i-4-hybrid

[svr21]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

It's going to get the cla amg motor and electric motors. Maybe they can make it sound like the i8 with fake engine sound of a V8


https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/ne...v-8-i-4-hybrid

No I don't think so. Why would they use the same motors for a45 on a c63s. That seems absurd.

[YUN]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

It will still get owned.

By all means, my E92 m3 is slow by comparison to amg but I still love that car even after 9 years. Straight line speed and paper stats mean nothing to me

[Andrae26]

Originally Posted by YUN

By all means, my E92 m3 is slow by comparison to amg but I still love that car even after 9 years. Straight line speed and paper stats mean nothing to me

Same for me. I'm not interested in straight line speed either. I have never owned a E92 M3 but I'm sure it's a great car. Matter a fact I was behind one this morning and that thing sounds godly. Granted it was only going 10mph. Can't imagine it pulling towards redline.

[535i MSport]

I own an F80 M3 competition and a C63 S, so watched this with some interest.

The comparison is in line with what I would have expected. I.e. the M3 is more precise around a track, helped by its lighter weight. If you compare the power to weight ratio, you will see they are almost identical, however the C63 has a lot more torque which makes it really easy to drive.

The C63 S also sounds nicer, even compared to the MPE fitted to my car.

The review here is a little flawed, albeit, it wouldn't have made much difference. The flaw is that it's a CS and not a comp, plus of course, the cup 2's Vs PSS. But a comp would still win around a track.

It would have been nice if they had included a session on the road, as it's here that I think the C63's character really comes through, with the V8 thrust making you grin more than the M3's engine. They both have great turn-in, but the M3 has the edge, whilst the C63 delivers in such an accessible way.

My conclusion is that one isn't necessarily better than the other, they are simply different.

I think if you are used to an M3, you might dismiss the AMG if you only drove it for a few miles, but use it for a day or more and you would see what I mean.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by YUN

I own M3 and C63s both of them are V8. Don't think even CS version will beat C63 in drag race. Looks are subjective, current M3 or M4 just don't interest me.

I think drag races are one of the more boring aspects of motorsports, but I see how it is a reasonable metric for performance. That being said the CS beat the C63S in the drag in this very video. What's more interesting is that the CS not only feels more powerful in the circuit but that it actually is faster. Another semi-useless but reasonably telling metric is the 'ring time. The CS did it in 7:38 and the C63S did it in 7:44. The F80 is also significantly faster than the E92, stock for stock and especially modded. The CS even more so, I'm not sure how you can gauge the CS's performance by using an E92 as a reference.

That being said, I think the E92 has much more character than the C63S, and I would prefer to drive it over the Merc even if price weren't an issue.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by svr21

No I don't think so. Why would they use the same motors for a45 on a c63s. That seems absurd.

It seems absurd yet it is still happening.

[NYG]

A base F80/F82 makes the C63S look like an SUV on a track.

[YUN]

Originally Posted by jmg

I think drag races are one of the more boring aspects of motorsports, but I see how it is a reasonable metric for performance. That being said the CS beat the C63S in the drag in this very video. What's more interesting is that the CS not only feels more powerful in the circuit but that it actually is faster. Another semi-useless but reasonably telling metric is the 'ring time. The CS did it in 7:38 and the C63S did it in 7:44. The F80 is also significantly faster than the E92, stock for stock and especially modded. The CS even more so, I'm not sure how you can gauge the CS's performance by using an E92 as a reference.

That being said, I think the E92 has much more character than the C63S, and I would prefer to drive it over the Merc even if price weren't an issue.

I never compared e92 to cs was comparing it to c63. From straight line races I've put quiet a distance from the current m, is cs that much faster? In any case track tests I tend to ignore as in real live average driver like me in amg won't shake off e92 of its tail.

[Andrae26]

Originally Posted by YUN

I never compared e92 to cs was comparing it to c63. From straight line races I've put quiet a distance from the current m, is cs that much faster? In any case track tests I tend to ignore as in real live average driver like me in amg won't shake off e92 of its tail.

Did you go up against a base M3 or comp? The comp pack improved the car by a good margin and the CS even more so. While I've never raced against a C63S and don't think I ever will because I hardly see anyone to do a pull with. That being said, the CS is faster than the Comp by a car length or so based on some YouTube videos. If you're interested in seeing the video it's pretty easy to find on YouTube.

I just rewatched the video and it's like 3 car lengths if not more.

[YUN]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

Did you go up against a base M3 or comp? The comp pack improved the car by a good margin and the CS even more so. While I've never raced against a C63S and don't think I ever will because I hardly see anyone to do a pull with. That being said, the CS is faster than the Comp by a car length or so based on some YouTube videos.

It was comp m3, again ignore youtube. Some vids there showing e63 wagon killing m5 in other vids its the other way around. All great cars and choices for us consumers On the other note what blew my mind was test drive of a Tesla model 3 performance

[jmg]

Originally Posted by YUN

I never compared e92 to cs was comparing it to c63. From straight line races I've put quiet a distance from the current m, is cs that much faster? In any case track tests I tend to ignore as in real live average driver like me in amg won't shake off e92 of its tail.

I didn't say you compared them, I said you used the E92 as a reference. Otherwise why even bring it up? It doesn't really have anything to do with the CS vs C63S comparison unless your experience with it somehow validates an argument.

Yes, the M3 CS has 37 ft-lb more torque than the comp, and with Cup2's will launch a little better. Depending on the driver and conditions I think the C63S has a slight advantage, but the M3 CS will hang and as evidence by the video, could even beat a C63S.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

Did you go up against a base M3 or comp? The comp pack improved the car by a good margin and the CS even more so. While I've never raced against a C63S and don't think I ever will because I hardly see anyone to do a pull with. That being said, the CS is faster than the Comp by a car length or so based on some YouTube videos. If you're interested in seeing the video it's pretty easy to find on YouTube.

I just rewatched the video and it's like 3 car lengths if not more.

I've been on the track with a couple C63S's and while we weren't wheel to wheel racing, I had very little trouble catching up and getting the point-by with both the whole day. Of course, they were beginners and I'm slightly above a beginner, but for good reason. I just don't see many C63S's being tracked. They are too heavy.

[Humdizzle]

C63 sounds better, has a better interior... aaaand that's about it. M3 is better everywhere else.

lighter
gets different fenders from a base model
handles better
depreciates less


It would be hard for me to pass up a used C63 Black Series if we're comparing it to a CS though. That big NA V8 makes a car fun even at low speeds. And its a very safe place to park your money.

[werdn]

Originally Posted by bimmer456

The next C63 will have a 4 cylinder engine.

I bet the exhaust will have A LOT of pops and bangs, similar to the CLA 45

[werdn]

Originally Posted by jmg

I've been on the track with a couple C63S's and while we weren't wheel to wheel racing, I had very little trouble catching up and getting the point-by with both the whole day. Of course, they were beginners and I'm slightly above a beginner, but for good reason. I just don't see many C63S's being tracked. They are too heavy.

C63's can be tracked, but are not made for the track. One of Motortrend's old YouTube videos of the Alfa v C63s v M3 ZCP v ATS-V, the C63s and came out slowest by a margin. It seems the comp package really changed the impression of the F80 m3 for the reviewers, making power delivery a lot better.

It seems like the c63s are still street cars with loud exhaust and good straight line speeds. A muscle car.

[bimmer456]

Originally Posted by YUN

MB internet forums suck

BMW has better forums and aftermarket support.

[adc]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

I agree on your assessment of the C63...but lately I've started to feel the F80/82/83 platform is starting to show its age. And this is coming from a 2018 F80 owner.

Anyone else feels the same?!

I actually don't want the digital dash, gesture control and other doo dads. I work in IT so I have no problem understanding these things, configuring them or using them, but I simply don't want them in my sporty car.

So I regard the F8x as the last of the classics.

I wouldn't get a Benz even if it were free, automatic transmissions don't interest me at all. But I don't dismiss their engine or chassis technology, they make amazing stuff. An Aston Martin Vantage with the upcoming manual transmission would be to die for, IMO.

[adc]

Originally Posted by YUN

By all means, my E92 m3 is slow by comparison to amg but I still love that car even after 9 years. Straight line speed and paper stats mean nothing to me

I have the CS map in my manual transmission F80. I see you may be local, maybe we can organize a meet...

[DMW2315]

Originally Posted by YUN

I own M3 and C63s both of them are V8. Don't think even CS version will beat C63 in drag race. Looks are subjective, current M3 or M4 just don't interest me.

You own both but you don't know the F8X isn't a V8. Hmmm...

Are you talking about owning a E9X?

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by adc

I have the CS map in my manual transmission F80. I see you may be local, maybe we can organize a meet...

where did you get the CS tune ? I was thinking of going BM3 but maybe the CS tune is a bit more refined?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by 535i MSport

I own an F80 M3 competition and a C63 S, so watched this with some interest.

The comparison is in line with what I would have expected. I.e. the M3 is more precise around a track, helped by its lighter weight. If you compare the power to weight ratio, you will see they are almost identical, however the C63 has a lot more torque which makes it really easy to drive.

The C63 S also sounds nicer, even compared to the MPE fitted to my car.

The review here is a little flawed, albeit, it wouldn't have made much difference. The flaw is that it's a CS and not a comp, plus of course, the cup 2's Vs PSS. But a comp would still win around a track.

It would have been nice if they had included a session on the road, as it's here that I think the C63's character really comes through, with the V8 thrust making you grin more than the M3's engine. They both have great turn-in, but the M3 has the edge, whilst the C63 delivers in such an accessible way.

My conclusion is that one isn't necessarily better than the other, they are simply different.

I think if you are used to an M3, you might dismiss the AMG if you only drove it for a few miles, but use it for a day or more and you would see what I mean.

IMO, the C63S is the better daily driver while the M3 is the better track car. Same as it has always been between MB and BMW in that segment .