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      06-25-2017, 12:01 AM   #111
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I opted for zcp because I found the seats to be more comfortable than the non-zcp seats. I also opted for the standard 19" wheels because I didn't like the 20" wheels. Test drive both and you will know the answer to your own question. I also wanted a more "complete" package that would prevent me from doing extra mods sooner. I love the car so much the way it is I cant bring myself to lower it even though I've got the aftermarket suspension sitting in my garage!
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      06-25-2017, 10:18 AM   #112
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It all depends how much you mod your car. I elected not to have it, because it would just be a waste of money. I'm heavily modded short of the engine.
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      06-25-2017, 12:21 PM   #113
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2015.

Were there any relevant differences between 2015 and 2016?

In any case, you've gotta be dead or in denial if you can't appreciate a huge handling difference between the ZCP and non-ZCP (2015 at least) cars. Every automotive journalist review of the ZCP car I've read acknowledges that.
Huge difference? Think about what you are saying.

The lap times between non zcp and standard cars are pretty close so what are we really talking about here? How can it be a huge difference in any objective way? I agree BMW fine tuned the car and buttoned it up a bit, but it's funny people say that's its a huge difference.

There is a huge difference in the Z06 Vette vs the base, or a SS Camaro vs a ZL1.

There is a huge difference in handling between an M3 and Honda Accord. The difference between a ZCP and base car is subtle, and mostly felt on a racetrack.

That is also not taking in account that the ZCP a better car in a lot of ways, and the changes they made are felt, but to say it's a huge difference or feels like a completely different car is just ridiculous.
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      06-25-2017, 01:25 PM   #114
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Huge difference? Think about what you are saying.

The lap times between non zcp and standard cars are pretty close so what are we really talking about here? How can it be a huge difference in any objective way? I agree BMW fine tuned the car and buttoned it up a bit, but it's funny people say that's its a huge difference.

There is a huge difference in the Z06 Vette vs the base, or a SS Camaro vs a ZL1.

There is a huge difference in handling between an M3 and Honda Accord. The difference between a ZCP and base car is subtle, and mostly felt on a racetrack.

That is also not taking in account that the ZCP a better car in a lot of ways, and the changes they made are felt, but to say it's a huge difference or feels like a completely different car is just ridiculous.
Lol. Completely agree.
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      06-25-2017, 05:20 PM   #115
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Huge difference? Think about what you are saying.

The lap times between non zcp and standard cars are pretty close so what are we really talking about here? How can it be a huge difference in any objective way? I agree BMW fine tuned the car and buttoned it up a bit, but it's funny people say that's its a huge difference.

There is a huge difference in the Z06 Vette vs the base, or a SS Camaro vs a ZL1.

There is a huge difference in handling between an M3 and Honda Accord. The difference between a ZCP and base car is subtle, and mostly felt on a racetrack.

That is also not taking in account that the ZCP a better car in a lot of ways, and the changes they made are felt, but to say it's a huge difference or feels like a completely different car is just ridiculous.
I can certainly see how "huge" can seem hyperbolic, but you should also appreciate that you're picking on my choice of a word to describe my subjective experience.

Why did I pick the word "huge"?

Firstly, to contrast with those who chime in on these threads and claim that there is no difference between the cars except the exhaust note.

Secondly, because I thought the difference was *much* more noticeable than the difference offered by ZCP in the e9X.

Thirdly, the non-ZCP car was already pretty great. I was frankly surprised at how much better the ZCP car felt.

Fourthly, the automotive journalistic world has largely declared the ZCP "transformative". That's another subjective word with which you can take issue, but if you do, notice that the issue you're bringing up is about clarifying *language*. That's fine, of course, and I don't mind clarifying myself at all, but the bottom line is that ZCP offers significant improvements in handling, whatever relative words one might want to use to describe those improvements.

I'll just add that those improvements are subjectively appreciable on *regular roads*. In fact, I'd argue that they're even more meaningful to those of us who aren't professional drivers and who therefore lack the ability to iron out chassis challenges with advance driving skills on a track.
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Fourthly, the automotive journalistic world has largely declared the ZCP "transformative"
Relying too much on automotive journalists when forming an opinion can lead to skewed perceptions. They are fun to read but that's about it. If we all relied on their "words of wisdom" we'd be driving a Camaro or Giulia instead of a BMW.
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      06-25-2017, 11:20 PM   #117
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Ed, really. Swing by the shop and drive mine anytime!! You'll make up your mind real quick lol.
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Is this competition package? What does z stand for?
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      06-26-2017, 05:56 AM   #119
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Is this competition package? What does z stand for?
Germany.
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      06-26-2017, 10:58 AM   #120
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I have had two F80s, one ZCP and one without. For those not looking to go crazy with the modding which would get rid of most of the ZCP parts, I think it is a no-brainer. It is significantly improved. The exhaust note is one of the bigger changes. Always hated how the car sounded with the standard exhaust. YMMV.
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Lots of non-ZCP denial going on for those who failed to get it. The F80 is much better with it. The best package for the money without any doubt whatsoever.
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      07-01-2017, 09:35 AM   #122
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Lots of non-ZCP denial going on for those who failed to get it. The F80 is much better with it. The best package for the money without any doubt whatsoever.
That doesn't mean getting it is always the right decision.
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      07-01-2017, 10:02 AM   #123
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Zis is a package for US markets? ZCP is CP in the rest of the world
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      07-06-2017, 07:10 AM   #124
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Relying too much on automotive journalists when forming an opinion can lead to skewed perceptions. They are fun to read but that's about it. If we all relied on their "words of wisdom" we'd be driving a Camaro or Giulia instead of a BMW.
Best thing I've read in a long time. Bravo, sir.
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Relying too much on automotive journalists when forming an opinion can lead to skewed perceptions. They are fun to read but that's about it. If we all relied on their "words of wisdom" we'd be driving a Camaro or Giulia instead of a BMW.
Agreed! I recently bought a ZCP M4 but initially thought I didn't want the competition package because of a recent comparison test between a ZCP M3 and a Giulia where the authors docked the M3 because they didn't like the ride with the ZCP. So I drove a ZCP and a non-ZCP and liked the ZCP much better.

The other thing to keep in mind is that dealers, at least in California, only seem to be ordering ZCP cars now, so you may need to special order a car if you don't want the competition package.
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The other thing to keep in mind is that dealers, at least in California, only seem to be ordering ZCP cars now, so you may need to special order a car if you don't want the competition package.
People buy m-cars without factory ordering them? Huh.
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      07-07-2017, 01:55 PM   #127
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The other thing to keep in mind is that dealers, at least in California, only seem to be ordering ZCP cars now, so you may need to special order a car if you don't want the competition package.
People buy m-cars without factory ordering them? Huh.
Ha! I was thinking the same thing. Why do that? People need to have some patience and order the exact car they want. I go one beyond custom ordering and will always do ED. I know you agree. Couldn't imagine not getting our cars in Germany.
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That's kinda like custom configuring your future wife... check the big tits and perfect ass box- especially if the options are available. We all know it's gonna cost you a little bit more but well worth it overall.
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I bought a 2018 M4 with the competition package. You're never going to notice the extra power... you can always mod it and code the ZCP damper, diff, and steering settings. Honestly if you're on a budget then skip it. If you're not worried about spending an extra $5k, then definitely option it. The seats, exhaust noises, wheels, and black accent package really bring character to the car, but it is probably not worth $5k. Personally, I waited specifically for the LCI ZCP model and wouldn't have this car any other way.
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Zee Competition Package
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The sound alone is worth the additional price
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The sound alone is worth the additional price
You can get that with a $600 BM3 tune. Just saying
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