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      03-18-2018, 10:06 AM   #331
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So you didn't get the house? Or you are guilty for getting it so cheap?
I feel guilty for not offering more, and the seller just got back to us and cut 30 k from the tag, and now I feel even worse since now I have to accept the offer.



Well, I tried to accept their counter offer but I by a total accident wrote down a wrong number.

I even liked the realtor so this is extra disgusting.


I'm not exactly pleased with myself but I'm telling myself it's not cheating if their realtor and the owners can do the same fact checking as I can, right? I'm not being a bitch! Right?

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So you didn't get the house? Or you are guilty for getting it so cheap?
I feel guilty for not offering more, and the seller just got back to us and cut 30 k from the tag, and now I feel even worse since now I have to accept the offer.



Well, I tried to accept their counter offer but I by a total accident wrote down a wrong number.

I even liked the realtor so this is extra disgusting.


I'm not exactly pleased with myself but I'm telling myself it's not cheating if their realtor and the owners can do the same fact checking as I can, right? I'm not being a bitch! Right?

This is why I don't trade tech stocks at all.
Lups...I want to sell you my M4...
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Lups...I want to sell you my M4...
Trust me, you don't want to sell even used toilet paper to me.

The house I put in am offer for is about 4km from the city center, on a lot big enough to be divided in two. It was under no splitting thingy by the city till last spring, but it's not anymore so the seller is under a false impression of the places worth. They could sell the extra lot alone for 200.

This is where it gets fucked up...

The house had a leaking pipe ten years ago and it was fixed by the insurance company's contractor who happens to be an old pall of mine so I got a good picture of the houses real condition, also since the damage happened under their ownership, I am not required to tell that to the person who buys it from me. That's an other 100k.

Then I have to put 50k (okay, 45,500 but who's counting...) to fix it up, and off to my summer house paid by this house I go.

You don't want to sell anything ever to me. I'm a complete fucker when it comes to money.
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Trust me, you don't want to sell even used toilet paper to me.

The house I put in am offer for is about 4km from the city center, on a lot big enough to be divided in two. It was under no splitting thingy by the city till last spring, but it's not anymore so the seller is under a false impression of the places worth. They could sell the extra lot alone for 200.

This is where it gets fucked up...

The house had a leaking pipe ten years ago and it was fixed by the insurance company's contractor who happens to be an old pall of mine so I got a good picture of the houses real condition, also since the damage happened under their ownership, I am not required to tell that to the person who buys it from me. That's an other 100k.

Then I have to put 50k (okay, 45,500 but who's counting...) to fix it up, and off to my summer house paid by this house I go.

You don't want to sell anything ever to me. I'm a complete fucker when it comes to money.
Ahhh I thought you over paid by $30k
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Agreed in most respects -- I too value fiscal responsibility, human rights, rule of law, etc.

Yet both you and GrussGott repeated something that, while sometimes true, is not exclusively true...

You say 'liberals' "only want stuff without calculating the profit too often" and GG said (I think) that Democrats are the party of wealth destruction.

I try not to be partisan, and I don't think either of you are partisan (or perhaps your partisanship aligns with my own...), but those statements reflect partisan propaganda more than reality.

I think you would agree that the other statements you make reflect the conclusion that the more productive citizens there are in a society compared to non-productive the better off the society.

Therefore, 'programs' that spend societal resources to that end might actually be cost-effective, especially in the longer run. For example, there is a pretty straight line between spending on Headstart and spending on juvenile detention and prison 15-20 years down the line.

Other forms of assistance -- some effective, some not (different discussion) -- can be viewed in the same way, leading to your goal "...move up to the next bracket and for them to pay more taxes instead of being at risk of being a part of our social security system". I'm all for that -- that is 99% of the reason I frequently support such programs..

Yet 'conservatives' (that term again, sorry) will characterize such spending as woolly-headed handouts that create dependence or permit fraud -- i.e. 'welfare queens'. While again, sometimes true, not true generally, and the babies all get thrown out with the bathwater.

But this is back to the primary point -- what does 'conservative' even mean? -- which recalls the last half of your posting. At this point it seems to include numerous negative philosophical conclusions that lead to primary focus on abortion, lbgtq, bathrooms, guns guns guns (for protection), god & country, etc. Lots of fear there, which I think isn't/shouldn't be part of the calculus of budgets, etc.

Perhaps what GG is really describing is 'Liberal' with big-L (sounds oddly like a JK song my kids used to play), and signaling a return to public sphere / private sphere distinctions so we can exercise a bit more pragmatism and less partisanship -- probably putting words in his mouth.

Not sure if I'm making sense here -- got no sleep last night, having terribly allergies this morning, worried sick that my car is non-CP (lol) but at least no one can buy an F80 in SSII anymore...

Oh, and by the bye, I'm a devout capitalist who suffered massive wealth destruction (temporary thank god) about 10 years ago -- was that all the Democrats fault?


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I couldn't pick from the two labels. I like fiscal responsibility and I demand that the politicians I vote for invest my tax euros in the way where they'll turn a hefty profit.

For example I want kids in schools and I want all schools to be competitive. I don't mind that the rich get the great education too for free since I really want the lowest 1/3 of families to move up to the next bracket and for them to pay more taxes instead of being at risk of being a part of our social security system.

I want preventive healthcare for all since treating anything that's not on early stages costs a ton more. So those I see as smart investments, just like I love the way you can walk everywhere here because that makes especially the elderly move around, which again either kills them fast (ice) or keeps them healthier.

In my view, that makes me a conservative, since liberals only want stuff without calculating the profit too often. This all becomes more tricky when we talk about values you guys do much more than we here.

I haven't heard even one serious debate about restricting abortion laws here though ours are stricter than yours. Up to 12 weeks for social reasons, from there on for medical reasons and for life threatening reasons one can be had if a panel of doctors approve it. We just attempt to prevent them by shoving condom to our kids and by walking around half naked all the time to make them disgusted with the human form.

Lbgt rights are a matter of human rights, and here we really don't get why you're so weird about bathrooms. Run around naked more or pee under a tree to reduce the stress.

That makes me a total hippie in your books where as here it makes me as conservative as my great aunt is and she is pushing 80 now (she inherited the title great aunt, her mom was really my great aunt).

So who knows what being either is these days. If god and country are the only measuring criteria, I'd fail miserably everywhere. I see my country as a group of people who work for a mutual goal with an unfortunate location. I'm happy that we have immigrants and it is a joy to watch them adopting our weird grunting culture and teaching us theirs where smiling is at times allowed.

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Agree with just about everything you say here, but still having a hard time with the term 'conservative'. To me that's originally a burkean 'let things change, but slowly' concept, not necessarily a position on economic theory.

Completely agree that the majority of those who call themselves 'conservative' these days appear to do so for culture war reasons -- Trumpers in particular seem apparently happy to continue bankrupting the treasury, so long as they win the bathroom wars.

My preference would be a Congress & Administration composed of centrist Republicans/Democrats that spent most of its time on economic issues, the rule of law, and the enforcement (without value comment) of basic human rights. That would apply pragmatic analysis (without value judgement) to social issues perceived and discussed in common, and work toward (as Lups said) "move up to the next bracket and for them to pay more taxes instead of being at risk of being a part of our social security system", or the "rising tide of wealth".

Dreaming, I know..

Again, perhaps Liberalism is the best (albeit imperfect) term for it..

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Consider, oh, David Brooks. His conservatism, of Sam’s Club affectation, fiscal conservatism, tepid social liberalism, and genial trolling of center-leftists at Davos — whom does it speak for in today’s politics, beyond Brooks?

Or Ross Douthat. He is sporadically interesting, often infuriating, but above all, pretty idiosyncratic. His socially conservative “reformicon” thing — whom does it speak for in today’s politics, beyond Douthat?

Bret Stephens and Bari Weiss are a familiar type of glib contrarian. Their opposition to Trump has given them undue credibility among Washington lefties, whom they relentlessly (and boringly) troll. But whom are they speaking for?
I'd rather state this as there are very few real conservatives, most just lie and call themselves that in an attempt to absorb the legitimacy that people like WFBjr created.

And certainly no Trumpers are conservatives ... truthfully Trump is simply a media prima donna in a constant state of using whatever he's doing that day to generate press ... and he's excellent at that: generating media attention.

Unfortunately that's the only thing Trump is good at and he does it at the expense of every other thing including his family, friends, and many times himself. He's the king of wing.

Trump's policy ideas do, however, have a historical basis, just one that's been discredited for 300 years, Mercantilism: put up a wall around your castle (which Trump literally wants to do), hoard gold (again, he literally wants to do this), and screw your trade partners because it's a zero sum game. (again, Trump's actual policy idea) This was basically the 1600s economy: win, while others lose.

This mentality led to horrible wars, genocide, and ultimately the holocaust.

The change in thinking began with Adam Smith in the mid 1700s (and the "invisible hand") which basically posited that open trade created a win-win rising tide that lifted all boats. The labor and capital didn't have to fight because a country could create a "virtuous circle" of wealth creation based on trade that would enrich everyone (instead of one person's win at cost of another's loss).

That's why Adam Smith's revolutionary book was called "Wealth of Nations", not "My Nation's Wealth is Your Nation's Loss"

Conservatism is literally founded on Adam Smith's notion of a rising tide of wealth.

Trump is a neo-mercantilist, literally the opposite of a conservative, and a throwback to the 1700s mining economy.
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Agreed in most respects -- I too value fiscal responsibility, human rights, rule of law, etc.

Yet both you and GrussGott repeated something that, while sometimes true, is not exclusively true...

You say 'liberals' "only want stuff without calculating the profit too often" and GG said (I think) that Democrats are the party of wealth destruction.

I try not to be partisan, and I don't think either of you are partisan (or perhaps your partisanship aligns with my own...), but those statements reflect partisan propaganda more than reality.

I think you would agree that the other statements you make reflect the conclusion that the more productive citizens there are in a society compared to non-productive the better off the society.

Therefore, 'programs' that spend societal resources to that end might actually be cost-effective, especially in the longer run. For example, there is a pretty straight line between spending on Headstart and spending on juvenile detention and prison 15-20 years down the line.

Other forms of assistance -- some effective, some not (different discussion) -- can be viewed in the same way, leading to your goal "...move up to the next bracket and for them to pay more taxes instead of being at risk of being a part of our social security system". I'm all for that -- that is 99% of the reason I frequently support such programs..

Yet 'conservatives' (that term again, sorry) will characterize such spending as woolly-headed handouts that create dependence or permit fraud -- i.e. 'welfare queens'. While again, sometimes true, not true generally, and the babies all get thrown out with the bathwater.

But this is back to the primary point -- what does 'conservative' even mean? -- which recalls the last half of your posting. At this point it seems to include numerous negative philosophical conclusions that lead to primary focus on abortion, lbgtq, bathrooms, guns guns guns (for protection), god & country, etc. Lots of fear there, which I think isn't/shouldn't be part of the calculus of budgets, etc.

Perhaps what GG is really describing is 'Liberal' with big-L (sounds oddly like a JK song my kids used to play), and signaling a return to public sphere / private sphere distinctions so we can exercise a bit more pragmatism and less partisanship -- probably putting words in his mouth.

Not sure if I'm making sense here -- got no sleep last night, having terribly allergies this morning, worried sick that my car is non-CP (lol) but at least no one can buy an F80 in SSII anymore...

Oh, and by the bye, I'm a devout capitalist who suffered massive wealth destruction (temporary thank god) about 10 years ago -- was that all the Democrats fault?
Oh screw you hippie, do you know how many times a day I run out of vocabulary?!

You're right of course and that was not my meaning, in our system we have liberal fiscally conservative party too so I basically can just run my mouth here for all I want.
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The offer went through.
Don't give us sad eyes, you got what you wanted for the price you wanted.

Congrats by the way.
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Don't give us sad eyes, you got what you wanted for the price you wanted.

Congrats by the way.
Yeah, let's not celebrate yet. I don't know if I can live with the guilt. And if I can't, hubby might kill me.
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Yeah, let's not celebrate yet. I don't know if I can live with the guilt. And if I can't, hubby might kill me.
You can live with it. Like you said and I agree, if they don't do there own due diligence on what it is worth it isn't your fault.
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You can live with it. Like you said and I agree, if they don't do there own due diligence on what it is worth it isn't your fault.
Yeah, it's owned by two doctors so it's not like I'm ripping off two illiterate idiots.

I still feel bad but I'm pathetic.
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Yeah, it's owned by two doctors so it's not like I'm ripping off two illiterate idiots.

I still feel bad but I'm pathetic.
If you feel that bad you can always amend the offer and hand them 10-20k more.
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If you feel that bad you can always amend the offer and hand them 10-20k more.
That was a good way to shut me up. Thank you.
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Yeah, it's owned by two doctors so it's not like I'm ripping off two illiterate idiots.

I still feel bad but I'm pathetic.
If you feel that bad you can always amend the offer and hand them 10-20k more.
I say the same thing to Warren Buffet when he says the 1%'s don't pay enough...
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I say the same thing to Warren Buffet when he says the 1%'s don't pay enough...
He actually has a plan to give almost all of his wealth to multiple charities etc.
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He actually has a plan to give almost all of his wealth to multiple charities etc.
Yes, but that's not the government. Also, some of the charities/non profit are run by his kids. Each kid getting about $2B. So he is giving a bunch away. As is gates. But not to the government.
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Yes, but that's not the government. Also, some of the charities/non profit are run by his kids. Each kid getting about $2B. So he is giving a bunch away. As is gates. But not to the government.
That because Buffet gets most of his money FROM the government these days ... Trump's tax cut of $1.2T in borrowed money gave Berkshire 50% of its 2017's profits!

Here are some charts on Trump's wealth redistribution scheme:

Despite the propaganda that 75% would go to the normals (avg US income is ~$50k/yr) ... nope, less than 16%



About 70% of Trump's borrowed money went to corporate restructuring, with ~13% going to wage increases:



Lucky for the normals, they're finally starting to realize it's not just porn stars that Trump fucks:



And it's surprised Republicans - their big 2017 win has turned into giant zero of a campaign issue

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Yes, but that's not the government. Also, some of the charities/non profit are run by his kids. Each kid getting about $2B. So he is giving a bunch away. As is gates. But not to the government.
That because Buffet gets most of his money FROM the government these days ... Trump's tax cut of $1.2T in borrowed money gave Berkshire 50% of its 2017's profits!

Here are some charts on Trump's wealth redistribution scheme:

Despite the propaganda that 75% would go to the normals (avg US income is ~$50k/yr) ... nope, less than 16%

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About 70% of Trump's borrowed money went to corporate restructuring, with ~13% going to wage increases:

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Lucky for the normals, they're finally starting to realize it's not just porn stars that Trump fucks:

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And it's surprised Republicans - their big 2017 win has turned into giant zero of a campaign issue

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Not sure how Trumps tax cuts gave him the profits in 2017, when they did not come into effect until 2018? Also, 16% of the country makes between $50k-$75k. Not exactly sure how the 2017 numbers are even available since taxes have been filed yet...

Here is some statistics. It appears the about only 40% make over $75k based on 2016 numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ome-in-the-us/

So I guess that would mean 60% make less than $75k?
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These are projections, and I think the point is that Berkshire Hathaway will benefit in 2018 to the tune of 50% of its 2017 profit -- don't know if true, but that is the assertion.

The pie chart represents the 'amount of tax benefit' that goes to those groups, NOT the percentage of population in those groups.

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Not sure how Trumps tax cuts gave him the profits in 2017, when they did not come into effect until 2018? Also, 16% of the country makes between $50k-$75k. Not exactly sure how the 2017 numbers are even available since taxes have been filed yet...

Here is some statistics. It appears the about only 40% make over $75k based on 2016 numbers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ome-in-the-us/
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