F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[MPNGAO_M4]

Based on what we know who on here thinks we will get the ZCP in July?

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by gthal

I would personally like to see suspension tweaks, wider wheels and tires (aka more grip) and a revised MDM mode. Anything to make the car better on the track and, IMO only, more power isn't the issue.

Dumb question but what "suspension tweaks" are you thinking about? Can they be implemented in the aftermarket?

I was planning to go with R888 type tires and coding euro MDM and calling it done.

Any thoughts on that approach?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

Based on what we know who on here thinks we will get the ZCP in July?

It seemed highly likely before this thread. Scott26 added some massive confusion here so now I'm 50/50.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Dumb question but what "suspension tweaks" are you thinking about? Can they be implemented in the aftermarket?

I was planning to go with R888 type tires and coding euro MDM and calling it done.

Any thoughts on that approach?

Here's the suspension tweaks that came with the M5 ZCP. I would expect similar for the M3.

-Stiffer stabilizer (anti-roll) bars
-Stiffer and lower suspension (shocks and springs) (10mm lower then standard M5/M6).
-Stiffer front axle bushings

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by solstice

It seemed highly likely before this thread. Scott26 added some massive confusion here so now I'm 50/50.

Yeah I really wish he would have clarified. I'm at 25% after his comments

[gthal]

Originally Posted by solstice

I like 18s as well and I understand and agree with the reasons you argue for them. What I don't understand is the hostility towards the thought that the GTS and/or ZCP will come with 20s. They will look great and you get a more expensive, more visually pleasing set for the street. If the bill to run it on the track with 20s is to much to swallow by all means go with a cheaper option but that's not really relevant to what is the desirable set to deliver the car with or how it performs with said wheel size.

You are correct. I've been reflecting on it and I guess the "so what" consideration is pretty big. If someone is going to make consistent trips to a track, it is highly likely they are investing in track wheels regardless as to what comes on the car. Casual track goers probably don't care much and those who never track really don't care. I suppose 20's don't matter. It's not like I wouldn't buy a track set of wheels even if it came with 19's

So, as much as I hate to admit it, I think you are right and I am over emphasizing the issue

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Well if I am correct with American market introductions. This car not introduced to the market around September would be a 2017 no?

The 3er LCi is launched in May and on sale in July.

Scott could you clarify? Will we be able to order the ZCP package in July 2015?

[chris s]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

Scott could you clarify? Will we be able to order the ZCP package in July 2015?

He's not gonna clarify I'm afraid...

[Engeljizzle]

Originally Posted by gthal

I can't imagine they would do that... 20's are for show and the ZCP is for track focused performance

GT3 has 20's because they lay more rubber down. Larger tire even in height will put down more rubber from what I am told. Maybe Im wrong though.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by Engeljizzle

GT3 has 20's because they lay more rubber down. Larger tire even in height will put down more rubber from what I am told. Maybe Im wrong though.

I don't think this matters... i.e. the wheel diameter. If anything, less sidewall (ie. larger wheel) results in less contact patch for straight line acceleration. Hence why dragsters have large sidewalls and small wheels and not big wheels with skinny sidewalls. This has been discussed here before.

For lateral traction, wheel and tire width is important.

A 20" wheel is, IMO, for aesthetics, to clear brakes and possibly for responsiveness given the thin sidewall (and therefore less rollover). However, there is not real advantage in forward traction or lateral traction just by virtue of the wheel diameter.

[ChrisK]

I hope the ZCP package does not lower the car. The e9x ZCP dropped the car 10mm, but the car needed to be dropped 10mm. The F8x 10mm lower brings it that much closer to road debris (if you get my drift).

Time will tell. I'm glad I will have choices when I order a '16.

[JonnyM3]

Would've waited for the comp pack, such is life. Guess I'm stuck with my civic m4

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by solstice

I like 18s as well and I understand and agree with the reasons you argue for them. What I don't understand is the hostility towards the thought that the GTS and/or ZCP will come with 20s. They will look great and you get a more expensive, more visually pleasing set for the street. If the bill to run it on the track with 20s is to much to swallow by all means go with a cheaper option but that's not really relevant to what is the desirable set to deliver the car with or how it performs with said wheel size.

I like the way 19s look better.

[X2Board]

Originally Posted by JonnyM3

Would've waited for the comp pack, such is life. Guess I'm stuck with my civic m4

You beat me to it. Here we go, back to driving the Civics of the M world.

[gthal]

Originally Posted by JonnyM3

Would've waited for the comp pack, such is life. Guess I'm stuck with my civic m4

Originally Posted by M Drei Fahrer

You beat me to it. Here we go, back to driving the Civics of the M world.

No... it's better than a Civic M4... more like an Accord M4. But, hey, it's still likely better than and RC-F

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Engeljizzle

GT3 has 20's because they lay more rubber down. Larger tire even in height will put down more rubber from what I am told. Maybe Im wrong though.

RS has 21" now.

[JTO24]

I love my civic e92 m3 manual seats, manual trans, fixed dampers.. I live RAW!! lol but at this point, I'm set on a '16, regardless of ZCP; the timing works out for my personal life, not just because LED tails.

[WVUDrJay]

I hit 150 on speedo the other day. All I could think was man I wish this was faster!

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by stahlee

How about BMW just brings out an update for the M3/4 that gives a 30hp bump?

Well I'm picking my car up on the 21st of June so I'll be one month (or days I guess) away from '16 production. Back in 2010 I did a euro delivery on my Individual M3 that was in the design process for about 9 months. In lthe fall of 2009 I was given a head's up by BMW M Div that if I waited for a May delivery, the car would be a 2011 production car and that it would get the newly available ZCP package. Didn't have to think twice about it but it was damned tough to keep quiet about the info (which I promised I'd do) until BMW released the info months later.

Anyways I don't have the luxury of being able to change the incoming car, it's another ED and everything's booked. Truthfully I don't want to change it 'cause it's going to be my dream build combined with our dream trip to pick it up. If a new ZCP pkg is released this summer with 20" rims and a 10mm drop with a few more suspension and MDM tweaks it won't ruffle any feathers for me, none at all. But then there's the ZCP-specific tune. Now that's another story. I'll be honest...I'll be pissy lol.

Long story short...I hope, no I pray, that M Div will accommodate current owners with an M Performance, M3/4 specific tune to match the ZCP option. Not right away maybe (and at a cost obviously) but I think this kind of offering would satisfy most of the concerns voiced in this thread, particularly if ZCP does go RPO for the 2016 builds and particularly if the power bump is significant. It'd be a win/win for everyone (tuners excepted unfortunately) so here's to hoping!!!

[Technic]

Originally Posted by Mark's M

Well I'm picking my car up on the 21st of June so I'll be one month (or days I guess) away from '16 production. Back in 2010 I did a euro delivery on my Individual M3 that was in the design process for about 9 months. In lthe fall of 2009 I was given a head's up by BMW M Div that if I waited for a May delivery, the car would be a 2011 production car and that it would get the newly available ZCP package. Didn't have to think twice about it but it was damned tough to keep quiet about the info (which I promised I'd do) until BMW released the info months later.

Anyways I don't have the luxury of being able to change the incoming car, it's another ED and everything's booked. Truthfully I don't want to change it 'cause it's going to be my dream build combined with our dream trip to pick it up. If a new ZCP pkg is released this summer with 20" rims and a 10mm drop with a few more suspension and MDM tweaks it won't ruffle any feathers for me, none at all. But then there's the ZCP-specific tune. Now that's another story. I'll be honest...I'll be pissy lol.

Long story short...I hope, no I pray, that M Div will accommodate current owners with an M Performance, M3/4 specific tune to match the ZCP option. Not right away maybe (and at a cost obviously) but I think this kind of offering would satisfy most of the concerns voiced in this thread, particularly if ZCP does go RPO for the 2016 builds and particularly if the power bump is significant. It'd be a win/win for everyone (tuners excepted unfortunately) so here's to hoping!!!

You should know by now that it will never happen, right? That's not how BMW rolls...

[MatthewDavid]

They also get the worst rock chips!!

Originally Posted by ChrisK

After having 359M ZCP wheels on my e92 - I wouldn't take them again if they were free and included 30hp. They are the worst wheels to keep clean.

my 2 cents.

[Mark's M]

Originally Posted by Technic

You should know by now that it will never happen, right? That's not how BMW rolls...

Yeah, you're right. Wishful thinking I'm afraid. But you can be damned sure I'm going to ask when I'm over there, maybe convince the boss that it would be a really nice gesture??? Don't laugh...I'm gonna give it a go!!