F8X M3/M4 Competition Package?

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I took it in December with the LCI news coming out a few weeks later. I was cool. But the ZCP stuff is digging into me.

I agree. I dont care about LCI.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by CSanto

I agree. I dont care about LCI.

I just got my KW HAS in and wheels are on the way. I spent under 4k so maybe in the end I'm lucky. I guess we will see how the ZCP is.

I like you just needed to vent a little.

[Bluex]

Well I do my ED in May, and i'm going somewhat topsy-turvy on this one.

In my head and heart I know that the 2015 is way more than I need, and that I should just be completely happy with it. And I know I *would* be happy with it, btw.

Yet, there is this little voice bugging the hell out of me........

[Jim B]

Originally Posted by chris s

Nobody is conveniently neglecting the price, it's all speculation...but to guess that it will be the same price as the M5 comp pack is also kinda ridiculous.

Yes, there may be standard feature changes and MSRP increases, but who is to say those changes may not be desirable? Last I checked there were plenty of f8x buyers complaining about spending $4k plus on the exec package for the one or two items that they actually wanted.

Remember, if you have to ask the price...

[gthal]

Originally Posted by CSanto

Hell yeah I'm frustrated, and I feel like a lot of people who just took delivery of their F8x will be as well.
My car is 2 Months old and BMW is now telling me that an "updated" model will be available in 6 months?
Why buy a car anymore? I should have leased this thing.

I know it wont go anywhere, but I'm considering writing an email to a few execs at BMW.

Don't take this the wrong way but IMO this is a huge overreaction. First, are you even using all of the capability of the non-ZCP M3/4 as it sits today? Will the competition package really even matter that much other than bragging rights?

I expect cars to have improvements on a regular basis. Mid cycle changes are very, very common for many manufacturers and BMW is included. If you are always chasing the "best" version then you will always be chasing something new. Don't get me wrong, I really do understand wanting the ZCP option but if it was a deal breaker for me, I would have waited.

I'm not sure how it would be better for you if it came out in 2 more years? Option #1 - You ultimately wanted a ZCP car and you would have owned the 2015 M for 3 years and then sold it to buy a ZCP car if things progressed as you had thought. Option #2 - They release ZCP tomorrow, you still own the M for 3 years, sell it and buy a ZCP. The only difference is that there will be ZCP cars on the road in the interim. Put another way, if you were OK with ZCP being released in 2018 and might have bought one then, what changes? You can still buy one then. If you were likely weren't going to sell your 2015 and buy a ZCP car in 3 years, why would it matter now?

I'm probably over simplifying but my sense is it won't be as significant of a change as you expect for DD duty and really only matters to those tracking their cars at 9/10ths often. Even then, we aren't sure it will matter a lot. Having said all of that... I do understand being frustrated and now wishing you waited. I'm just surprised by the severity of your reaction.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by gthal

Don't take this the wrong way but IMO this is a huge overreaction. First, are you even using all of the capability of the non-ZCP M3/4 as it sits today? Will the competition package really even matter that much other than bragging rights?

I expect cars to have improvements on a regular basis. Mid cycle changes are very, very common for many manufacturers and BMW is included. If you are always chasing the "best" version then you will always be chasing something new. Don't get me wrong, I really do understand wanting the ZCP option but if it was a deal breaker for me, I would have waited.

I'm not sure how it would be better for you if it came out in 2 more years? If you wanted it you would have owned the 2015 M for 3 years and then sold it to buy a ZCP car. If they release ZCP tomorrow, you can still own the M for 3 years, sell it and buy a ZCP. The only difference is that there will be ZCP cars on the road in the interim. Put another way, if you were OK with ZCP in 2018 and might have bought one then, what changes? You can still buy one then.

I'm probably over simplifying but my sense is it won't be as significant of a change as you expect for DD duty and really only matters to those tracking their cars at 9/10ths often. Even then, we aren't sure it will matter a lot.

Its not years later its months later

But anyway I think most care about the look of the comp pack not the actual performance. Regardless of how you view that it's their cash. You'll never get a better ride than factory suspension and the ZCP offers factory lowering with updated OEM wheels.

[ES_TRADER]

lets just retro fit it and get on with our lives

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

a) The typical product development cycle very strongly suggests the package was in development longer than from when negative feedback began to amass.

b) If the goal was to fix problems with the car, they would have simply applied the changes to all models going forward. They would not have limited them to a special package.

c) The M3/M4 have received negative remarks from the press and enthusiasts alike, just as the M5/M6 did. So even if the impetus for the timing of the completion package with the M5/M6 genuinely was to respond to backlash, well there's plenty of that to go around with the M3/M4 too.

If you had access to internal BMW information, and combed through it, do you honestly believe that you'd find absolutely no suggestion that ZCP was well under way and planned for the second year of the M5 long before it was released? Think about it. Corporations plan product releases years in advance. There are numerous regulatory issues, marketing plans, engineering concerns, materials needs, and supplier sourcing logistics, to name a few.

All good points. However, I find it more than a coincidence that some of the negative feedback the F10 M5 received was surprisingly fixed with the introduction of the comp pkg (like the steering for example). I don't think it's a conspiracy nor do I think the comp pkg was released to fix flaws, I just think that BMW saw the opportunity and decided to kill two birds with one stone with the release of the comp pkg. I, like you, agree that the comp pkg was going to happen for the M5 anyways. Now if they accelerated the release or did more tweaks is anyone's guess outside of the inner workings of BMW.

[CSanto]

Originally Posted by gthal

Don't take this the wrong way but IMO this is a huge overreaction.

Nothing taken the wrong way. I think I was just temporarily soured and had to vent about it to someone.

I love my car, I'm happy I have it. At the end of the day, If I can simply retrofit the parts or mod the car how I want..its all good.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Let's remember, the competition pack came out for the M5 because it was LACKING. The competition pack put the M5 where it should've been in the first place. The F8X on the other hand isn't really lacking anywhere. There is NO reason to rush out a ZCP version in the second model year.

Our minds are really F'd up if we consider the standard M5 as a vehicle that is lacking. Wth is going on! First World problems. Please keep the car thing in perspective.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Our minds are really F'd up if we consider the standard M5 as a vehicle that is lacking. Wthis going on! First World problems. Please keep the car think in perspective.

It had things to be improved upon, how about that?

[48Laws]

Better. Lol

[JonnyM3]

Wait is it confirmed this year there will be a comp pack for 2016?

[gthal]

Originally Posted by JonnyM3

Wait is it confirmed this year there will be a comp pack for 2016?

No but very strong speculation based on insider comments.

[MPNGAO_M4]

Something testing at the ring... Hmmm

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

Something testing at the ring... Hmmm

What - the Interlagos Blue Avis van??? Bet it's fast.....

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

What - the Interlagos Blue Avis van??? Bet it's fast.....

It's the benchmark for zcp!

[MPNGAO_M4]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

What - the Interlagos Blue Avis van??? Bet it's fast.....

Wow your clever... Yeah maybe it is fast.

[RocketBoots]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

What - the Interlagos Blue Avis van??? Bet it's fast.....

I thought it was actually Avis Blue...

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by SuzukaGRY

Something testing at the ring... Hmmm

Interesting. And these are recent? Do you have a link to the original article that accompanied these (if there was one)? I searched the site (autogespot), but didn't see it.

[Vectors2final]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

Interesting. And these are recent? Do you have a link to the original article that accompanied these (if there was one)? I searched the site (autogespot), but didn't see it.

Gotta reverse search with an image.


http://www.autogespot.de/bmw-m4-f82-coupe-12/2015/03/22

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Vectors2final

Gotta reverse search with an image.

http://www.autogespot.de/bmw-m4-f82-coupe-12/2015/03/22

Not sure what you mean, but thanks. Admittedly, I didn't try very hard - I was lazy.

I'd say this could indeed be a ZCP test vehicle. At the very least it tells us they are testing something new with no exterior changes (wheels can always change for production). And, I'll point out that it has the Werkstestwagen sticker, just like I figured it would.