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I think we'll see again the same scenario Alpina B5 vs M5:
* Unladen: 1920 kg vs 1945 Kg; * Max output: kW/ HP/ 1/min: 397/540/5200 - 6250 vs 412/560/ 6000 - 7000; * Max torque: Nm/1/min: 730/2800 - 5000 vs 680/ 1500 - 5750; * Acceleration 0-100 km/ h (s): 4.3 vs 4.3; * Top speed (km/h): 323 vs 305. As for Alpina B3 vs M3 we have the following specs: * Unladen: 1610kg vs ??; * Max output (kW/ hp/ 1/min): 301/410/ 5500 - 6250 vs 313/425/ ??; * Max torque( Nm/ 1/min): 600/ 3000 - 4000 vs 500/ ??; * Acceleration 0 - 100km/h (s): 4.2 vs ??; * Top speed (km/h): 305 vs ??. |
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09-23-2013, 02:57 PM | #93 |
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Pretty disappointing #s imo.
Losing NA V8 which sounded great and had instant throtle response for almost no hp gain???? Thats weak. BMW turbo motors are notorious for limp mode once turbos are too hot also. Not a big improvement over E92 M3. Lexus RC F will have V8 with more HP and torque. Cadillac ATS will have more HP/tq MB C63 as well New M4 will be around 80k with options - lots of sports cars in that price range. |
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Yes there will be a press release , and the media sites will be reporting what they are permitted to. But no one will be driving the car , so no actual driver impressions unless they ask the drivers , engineers etc?
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Lack of actual car knowledge really shows when we start talking numbers. Looking at half of these responses, you'd think horsepower is the be-all and end-all of performance figures.
We're still gaining 11 hp and 70 lb-ft of torque. Consider the weight reduction, severe underrating on BMW turbo engines, and ease of power gains with a turbo engine. Save your negativity for abominations like the 3 series GT with 15 ///M badges slapped all over it. |
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what is the sense about underrating engine numbers? Why does BMW quote a 0-100 in 4,4sec for the M5, when many magazines/ journalists and you forum guys clock the M5 in under 4,0sec's.
Maybe a silly question.. but what is the benefit of underrating engine numbers and performance figures? |
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Always love your posts. As you mentioned, the competition always had more horsepower but the E92 M3 still always ended up on top.
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I am dissapointed. I was expecting more .
Sure the rumors were there, but I was still hoping for more power. Now we can just hope they did some miracle on the weight side . The E46 was only 150lb or so lighter than the E9X. Bringing the F8X to E46 levels will just not cut it to match the competition in terms of power to weight. I purchased my E46 and E92 before even driving one. It will not be the case for the F82... Last edited by CanAutM3; 09-24-2013 at 10:21 AM.. |
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I just hope it revs to 8+k. Even then, I will be curious to see how the M stacks up to a heavily modified (track spec) 335i (N54)... They seem very similar in statistics (weight, possible power after tuning, size, etc).
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so thats equals to 225WHP lol.
car looks amazing tho jaw dropping
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"a much stronger version is also offered as part of a performance or competition package. Official information with exact numbers follow soon" http://www.bimmertoday.de/2013/09/23...ne-orange-rot/ |
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And obviously BMW M have put a within limits "tune" on it, they allways do (just like any manufacturer). If BMW M have put a engine that is within 90-100% of it's limits from the factory, that would be odd. To be on the safe side with regards to component reliability etc, a manufacturer allways have quite a substantial amount of margin. If this engine doesn't, it would be a industry first and the first car engine that doesn't leave room for higher outputs/stresses. Or maybe I misunderstood you? |
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M4 = Glorified 4 Series
Just kidding But seriousluy the Gap is getting narrower between Bimmers these days Power: spend about 2k on a 435 you can get equivalent or more power of the engine Looks: M sport looks very similar to the M4 body kit (to the untrained eye), especially the M-performance body parts looks almost identical Tranny: ZF8 on 435/335 F30 etc is almost as fast and precise as a DCT. And now it even has launch control. Price: Still a HUGE Gap, while all other gaps are narrowing Back in the day, an M3 was light years ahead of the 335. Engine, tranny (DCT vs regular garbage 6 speed auto), etc Now the gap is so narrow in looks, power, transmission etc Again we all get it, its not just engine HP numbers, the handling bla bla bla but still, alot of people who purchase an M3/M4 do so for the differentiation/exoticness vs a regular 3 series or 4 series. I think very few track the car. Now that the GAP is this narrow, I think only truly hardcore enthusiasts/track drivers would go for an M4. Just my $.2
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