Fuel it port injection with methanol injection?

[Carguy1994]

Currently have a 100% E85 tune with PS2+ turbos and meth kit. All supporting cooling mods installed (charge pipes, front mount heat exchanger, crank hub, Dodson clutches, meistershaft exhaust, down pipe/intakes, mid pipe, top mount charge air cooler, coil overs etc)

I pulled the trigger for a retune with Jordan tune, and port injection fuel it. But I'm having second thoughts cause it's an extra 5k and I can still get refunded if I wanted. Is it necessary to have PI and meth? Or is meth just fine. Drove the car 2500 miles with these mods and so far been great. I've had little problems with the turbos taking intoo much air and causing a weird sound that would go away when i left off the gas and put my foot back on the gas. Pure turbos said it's due to the tune. I'm for sure doing the new tune, but not sure about thE pi ? Insight please I really appreciate everyone's help.

20k miles on the car total.

[TopJimmy]

With + level turbos and full E85 you exceed the capacity of the stock fuel system ("too much air" they said). Right now your Meth injection is supplementing the needed fuel for the big turbos. You would be better to add E85 PI plus a Stage 4 LPFP with Hobbs 14psi trigger switch, fuel pressure regulator and return line. This way you can use pump fuel to fully utilize your plus turbos.

Using bung Meth to supplement needed fuel can be dangerous if you run into a lean situation (ran out of meth, tank sloshed, etc). You could nuke a piston if a cylinder runs short on fuel. A pair of CP bungs distributes more evenly than one J bung. Meth via PI is evenly distributed, but still two systems must work together or it's bad...

Using meth to add power or cooling when you already have adequate DI/PI fueling has much lower risk of catastrophe.

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

With + level turbos and full E85 you exceed the capacity of the stock fuel system ("too much air" they said). Right now your Meth injection is supplementing the needed fuel for the big turbos. You would be better to add E85 PI plus a Stage 4 LPFP with Hobbs 14psi trigger switch, fuel pressure regulator and return line. This way you can use pump fuel to fully utilize your plus turbos.

Using bung Meth to supplement needed fuel can be dangerous if you run into a lean situation (ran out of meth, tank sloshed, etc). You could nuke a piston if a cylinder runs short on fuel. A pair of CP bungs distributes more evenly than one J bung. Meth via PI is evenly distributed, but still two systems must work together or it's bad...

Using meth to add power or cooling when you already have adequate DI/PI fueling has much lower risk of catastrophe.

Hey brotha, thanks for the insight. I think the methanol per gintani was used to cool the engine. But they said if I'm running E85 I need to use methanol.
Ssr is suggesting I go with the port injection. (Switching to ssr for home base because it's down the street from my warehouse opposed to Gintani being so far away)
Ssr did not recommend this not sure why "Stage 4 LPFP with Hobbs 14psi trigger switch" I asked if there's anything else I need to do. I mean I want to do wharveee is necessary. Gintanti was saying PI wasn't necessary and it'll blow up my engine the methanol will be much better.

[TopJimmy]

Have you done your hub fix and CBC yet?

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Have you done your hub fix and CBC yet?

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Have you done your hub fix and CBC yet?

Yes ssr crank hub has been complete. What's CBC ?

[TopJimmy]

Originally Posted by Carguy1994

Yes ssr crank hub has been complete. What's CBC ?

Okay, next step is either PI and probably LPFPs to stay on E85, or optionally change to E50. If you switch to E50 you can keep on with the stock fuel system. Who is your tuner and which tuning software?

[TopJimmy]

Sorry, forgot the CBC part. It's for Crank Bolt Capture...a little plate that goes on top of the hub bolt (OEM or Gintani, MaxPSI or any) and keeps it from backing out under any back-and-forth motion. It costs about $100 and $2-300 to install. Usually when people do the hub fix they add the CBC at the same time, since things are apart.

https://www.kiesmotorsports.com/prod...k-bolt-capture

Consider one if you plan to play hard...

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Okay, next step is either PI and probably LPFPs to stay on E85, or optionally change to E50. If you switch to E50 you can keep on with the stock fuel system. Who is your tuner and which tuning software?

I'm sure SSR did the whole crank hub fix thing and added that part.

$4000.00 to do it LOL they better have. However I will ask. Thank you for that recommendation.

So basically I had SSR do everything except tune & methanol and Dodson clutch kit. Gintani did the last three.

I'm unhappy with gintani tune, even though they are good, I kind of rushed them so the job was sloppy (they had my car for two months and I was getting super impatient). Goes both ways IMO.

Here's what I currently have on my car, and the last two items SSR is going to do in the two weeks. My question to them was there anything else I needed to do? And they suggested PI & Jordan tune (due to PI upgrade car needs a retune, and I've wanted a retune anyway for quite some time because of my unsatisfactory current tune).

My whole initial question is due to suspicion of maybe SSR trying to upsell me on things I don't need. If I do need it I'm all for it. Just gintani kept saying he doesn't recommend fuel it!

1) SSR CRANK HUB
2) PURE TURBOS STAGE 2+
3) CSF FRONT MOUNT HEAT EXCHANGER
4) VRSF DOWN PIPE
5) VRSF COLD AIR INTAKE
6) INJEN 2 PC ALUM CHARGE PIPE
7) CSF TOP MOUNT CHARGE AIR COOLER
9) PRIVATE LABEL MFG MIDPIPE
10) SNOW METHANOL INJECTION KIT
11) DODSON 10 PLATE AND BASKETS UPGRADE
12) KW COILOVER V3
13) Meisterschaft GT2 exhaust
14) E85 gintani tune

And now..
15) E85 tune Jordan Cary
16) fuel it! Port injection

[TopJimmy]

With the last 2 you have everything but a helmet. Ask Gintani if your Fuel-It kit includes the Stage 4 low pressure pump and all the goodies. They probably have you covered. Cary's tune will push your eyeballs back.

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

With the last 2 you have everything but a helmet. Ask Gintani if your Fuel-It kit includes the Stage 4 low pressure pump and all the goodies. They probably have you covered. Cary's tune will push your eyeballs back.

Hahahaha a helmet 😂😂😂 that was good. Okay so you've answered my questions. Much love brotha. Attached is what I was quoted for. + Cary tune extra dough.

Ps - ssr is doing the fuel it!

[TopJimmy]

One other suggestion...remind Cary that you have stock rods/pistons. I would also reserve the Meth for rare full-kill situations, since you should already be around 750whp just with big turbos on E85 plus PI. Adding meth to this may push you into the dangerous +700TQ range of bending rods, and any uneven meth distribution to a cylinder can eat the piston. If you do run meth here it must be in the CPs, not the J, for even distribution.

[stondM3]

It sounds like everyone here has a lot of experience with meth. I have a 2016 f80 with stock turbos, just bought BM3 and a Stage 2.5 Snow meth kid with SS braided lines. Planning on getting a custom tune once I install the meth kit (planning on DIY). I can’t find any details about installing the meth kit and running wires and lines in the f80. Do I need to get longer lines to run from the trunk? Any advice would he greatly appreciated.

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by stondM3

It sounds like everyone here has a lot of experience with meth. I have a 2016 f80 with stock turbos, just bought BM3 and a Stage 2.5 Snow meth kid with SS braided lines. Planning on getting a custom tune once I install the meth kit (planning on DIY). I can’t find any details about installing the meth kit and running wires and lines in the f80. Do I need to get longer lines to run from the trunk? Any advice would he greatly appreciated.

Hey Brotha I wish I knew how to install shit woulda probably saved thousands on thousands. I got all my stuff installed @ SSR AND GINTANI.

[stondM3]

Haha no problem, thanks for responding. Sounds like you have a sweet setup!

Originally Posted by Carguy1994

Hey Brotha I wish I knew how to install shit woulda probably saved thousands on thousands. I got all my stuff installed @ SSR AND GINTANI.

[Wanted_M]

Originally Posted by stondM3

It sounds like everyone here has a lot of experience with meth. I have a 2016 f80 with stock turbos, just bought BM3 and a Stage 2.5 Snow meth kid with SS braided lines. Planning on getting a custom tune once I install the meth kit (planning on DIY). I can’t find any details about installing the meth kit and running wires and lines in the f80. Do I need to get longer lines to run from the trunk? Any advice would he greatly appreciated.

Let me know if you find an install guide, I plan on doing the same next spring.
Good luck

[TopJimmy]

Snow 2.5 install manual:
https://static.summitracing.com/glob...no-210-brd.pdf

Better version:
https://www.nitrousexpress.com/images/Sno210.pdf

Fairly good install of a BMS meth kit on a M2, including routing lines and connections:

[stondM3]

This is great, thank you!

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

Snow 2.5 install manual:
https://static.summitracing.com/glob...no-210-brd.pdf

Better version:
https://www.nitrousexpress.com/images/Sno210.pdf

Fairly good install of a BMS meth kit on a M2, including routing lines and connections:

[F80_Greg]

Originally Posted by TopJimmy

With + level turbos and full E85 you exceed the capacity of the stock fuel system ("too much air" they said). Right now your Meth injection is supplementing the needed fuel for the big turbos. You would be better to add E85 PI plus a Stage 4 LPFP with Hobbs 14psi trigger switch, fuel pressure regulator and return line. This way you can use pump fuel to fully utilize your plus turbos.

Using bung Meth to supplement needed fuel can be dangerous if you run into a lean situation (ran out of meth, tank sloshed, etc). You could nuke a piston if a cylinder runs short on fuel. A pair of CP bungs distributes more evenly than one J bung. Meth via PI is evenly distributed, but still two systems must work together or it's bad...

Using meth to add power or cooling when you already have adequate DI/PI fueling has much lower risk of catastrophe.

Hey man, seems you are very familiar with this type of setup. Sorry for derailing your thread op.. As i am getting a very similar setup installed soon, just wanted to know if a "stage 3" lpfp is sufficient? I didn't go with the fuel it option and decided to go with BMP PI kit. Also have their 13psi i think Hobbs switch along with AIC 6 PI controller. I have yet to receive my ordered pure stage 2 + turbos, they are still being made. You think i can get away with the stage 3 pump setup? I built it myself just like the precision racing, spool, and Vader stage 3 pump they offer. It's using the oem pump and an additional secondary walbro 450 outside the fuel pump bucket in a bracket. System still using stock filter and fuel pressure regulator as i have not touched it. I'm on stock internals, full bolt ons. Cary is going to be tuning it. Thank you!

[TopJimmy]

@F80_Greg
Nothing wrong with your custom piggybacked LPFP. The vendors try to call them Stage 3, 4, 4+ based on what size the piggyback pump is.

Think about using the fuel pressure regulator return-circuit so that your system doesn't get a little surge when the secondary pump kicks in.

[tomlong]

M5 injectors would only give you an additional 10% increase in fueling, if truly wanting to stay away from port injection.

[Carguy1994]

Originally Posted by tomlong

M5 injectors would only give you an additional 10% increase in fueling, if truly wanting to stay away from port injection.

So I have port injection and methanol injection now haha.