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      08-27-2018, 07:34 AM   #23
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Here's my very unsophisticated take. All cars are going turbo or electric. The V8's and V12's are becoming rarer. Computers and engine technology are allowing for high horsepower/torque, and fuel efficiency.

A 1970 Chevelle had a 454 big block and was loud. It made 450hp and 500ft/lb of torque. The car weighed 3800lbs. It got 9.5 mpg.

Point is, the technology is cutting down how much engine you need to make power. I know you all know this, but the turbo engines don't sound like the Chevelle.

I miss the Chevelle...if it could only handle like an M4.
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      08-27-2018, 02:34 PM   #24
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The S55 is not a V6 ...
You know what I meant.
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      08-27-2018, 03:01 PM   #25
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TBH I didn't particularly enjoy the sound of the S65 stock (was mainly induction noise). I'm probably in the minority that would say my GTS is way better in terms of sound and volume compared to my old E92.

But then again, neither compared to the S85 in my old E60.
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      08-27-2018, 07:51 PM   #26
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TBH I didn't particularly enjoy the sound of the S65 stock (was mainly induction noise). I'm probably in the minority that would say my GTS is way better in terms of sound and volume compared to my old E92.

But then again, neither compared to the S85 in my old E60.
While the S65 sounds fantastic - it is like everyone else here has said - the F8x is superior in every other way to the E9x.

I have the M Performance Exhaust on my F80 ZCP - and I absolutely love the sound (notwithstanding others on here who don't).

I will agree with everyone else here though - my F80 is way more exciting to drive vs my previous ride...
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      08-28-2018, 11:45 AM   #27
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If you put a high priority on sound during routine daily driving, love the Borla setup on your E92 (as I did Akrapovic on my E90), I don’t think there’s anything that you’ll be able to do with the F8X platform to approximate it.

I’m not in the camp that thinks the F8X doesn’t sound good. But if you consider the E9X V8 as just about ideal, sound for sound the new M3/M4 is no match.

Partly due to sound, I also think that the E9X is a more engaging daily driver, i.e. fights off the monotony and boredom of routine drives more effectively without risking arrest. FWIW.
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      08-28-2018, 11:52 AM   #28
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I’m of the camp that I don’t think the F8X sound like complete crap, but I do miss the V8 sound of my GT350 and other V8s. I have the MPE on my car and I’m going to do the Fabspeed or AA midpipe mod soon. I know it’ll never sound like a V8, but if I can get a deeper tone and eliminate some rasp I’ll be happier with it.
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      08-28-2018, 10:48 PM   #29
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E90 M3 with meisterschaft exhaust which sounded great to F80 M3 and no question the F80 is superior in every way except sound. Everything else more than makes up for the sound. Torque, more modern interior, better looks etc.
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      08-28-2018, 11:12 PM   #30
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I went from an E92 M3 to my current F80 not quite a year ago. As everyone has mentioned, the F8X is a far more capable performance car than the the E9X M3.

That being said, I have come to realize that after owning it a year, I truly miss my E92 M3- and the main thing is the feel and sensation of winding it out and hearing it roar. I'm not a capable enough driver to driver to take advantage of the increased power...in fact, with my flash tune, I drive even more carefully on windy roads specifically because I don't trust myself to be able to "catch" the car if something goes wrong...the boost/torque comes on fast and hard.

If I had to do it again, I wouldn't have traded it to "upgrade" to an F8X. My E92 M3 was plenty fast enough for me and sounded great. I love the way my F80 looks parked, but it doesn't excite me to go out for a drive like my E92 M3 did. I was seduced by the aggressive F80 body and the more modern interior technology.

I am firmly in the camp that the S55 sounds like a very bad garbage disposal unit and nobody can convince me that it sounds good with any exhaust (M performance/Akra..doesn't matter).

my two cents
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      08-29-2018, 02:52 AM   #31
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After 3 years in F80’s (comp and non comp with Schnitzer exhaust) I’m strongly considering going back to an e92 zcp instead. Car is nothing more than an occasional driver and I feel like I need a V8 to keep before they all get high miles or abused.
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      11-26-2018, 08:39 PM   #32
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I came from a E92 M3 to a F82 M4, The only thing i missed about the E92 M3 is the sound of the akrapovic evolution when it roars, that V8 sound, other than that, the F82 is my new love.
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      11-27-2018, 08:03 PM   #33
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I actually grew to love the sound of my F82, granted I had the MPE. It doesn't have the NA V8 grunt or roar, but I felt like the raspier tone had more dimensions to it and still sounded amazing.

If the car already has an MPE I think you're golden. Have you spent some time behind the wheel? It won't be the same as your E9X but different isn't a bad thing.
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      11-28-2018, 08:33 AM   #34
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I agree the V8 sounded fantastic, but I honestly like the sound of my F80 with the MPE...and the rest of the car has so many advantages it makes the change in sound quite ok with me.
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I actually dont miss the sound of my e92 m3 at all! I know everyone thinks that v8 sounded amazing but to me the turbo noises the f8x makes with mods sounds soo much better and also I dont miss how slow the e92 was compared to the f8x
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So, I'm a current 2008 e93 M3 owner. I absolutely love the car and have had no issues with it, but it has 95K miles on it. My buddy is about to move from his pristine 2015 M4 into a new M5 Competition and is offering me a killer deal on it.

At the risk of getting flamed on an M4 site, I'm trying to figure out if there is a way to change the exhaust tone. I'm just flat out spoiled by the deep sound of my v8 M3 with a Borla exhaust. I have yet to find a sound clip where the M4 isn't extremely raspy at higher RPM's. I know I'd be giving up on the v8 sound, but I'd really like to get to something non-raspy since I'll drive it like it was intended, which will result in spending a fair amount of time in those upper RPM ranges. Other than the sound I don't particularly like, I love everything else about the car. I don't think I can pass on the car...I'm just hoping I can either find a better exhaust note or just be able to get past it as is.

Anyone else make the move from the e90/92/93 M3 to a M4? How are you doing with the sound?

(I know the car and it is essentially a new car in Sakhir with matching interior, MPE, clear wrap over damn near to whole car, Carbon Ceramic brakes, CF spoiler and diffuser, new tires, etc. With only 18K miles on it, it is essentially a new car and he is meticulous.)
I have never heard any true bmw enthusiast complain about the raspy straight6 sound. The e46 m3 sounds beautiful and it's very raspy. If you want a good sounding v8 buy a z06. The e92 v8 exhaust note sucks because it's supposed to be a v10 not low displacement v8 with two cylinders chopped off.
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After 3 years in F80's (comp and non comp with Schnitzer exhaust) I'm strongly considering going back to an e92 zcp instead. Car is nothing more than an occasional driver and I feel like I need a V8 to keep before they all get high miles or abused.
F80 is more modern and better DD. But not as much fun for a weekend toy as turbos lack sound and boring as the revs climb. no engine noise just gushing wind.

E90 is the opposite. not as good DD but way more exciting to take out for the occasional blast due to the epic high end.

ideal to have both as they offer different strong points.

13 E90 already more expensive than a 15 F80. so the market is speaking. something to keep in mind.
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F80 is more modern and better DD. But not as much fun for a weekend toy as turbos lack sound and boring as the revs climb. no engine noise just gushing wind.

E90 is the opposite. not as good DD but way more exciting to take out for the occasional blast due to the epic high end.

ideal to have both as they offer different strong points.

13 E90 already more expensive than a 15 F80. so the market is speaking. something to keep in mind.

I went the other way and got an M4CS
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f80 is the better car by a long shot. Plus like $2000 in mods and you're at 500hp.

But the e92 is the better investment.

Both fun cars. But the problem right now is its impossible to find a clean e92 competition. (h/k audio, cf roof, 6 speed, red interior, no accident)
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13 E90 already more expensive than a 15 F80. so the market is speaking. something to keep in mind.
I found this difficult to believe so checked the Kelley Blue Book on both (based on standard equipment, 100K mileage, condition="good", location=NYC)

2013 M3: Range: $17,700-$21,800; Median/Avg: $19,750
2015 M3: Range: $23,300-$27,100; Median/Avg: $25,200

So, similar equipped, similar odometer and in good condition, the '15 M3 is about 28% more expensive than the '13 M3.

This is more in line my expectations.
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I found this difficult to believe so checked the Kelley Blue Book on both (based on standard equipment, 100K mileage, condition="good", location=NYC)

2013 M3: Range: $17,700-$21,800; Median/Avg: $19,750
2015 M3: Range: $23,300-$27,100; Median/Avg: $25,200

So, similar equipped, similar odometer and in good condition, the '15 M3 is about 28% more expensive than the '13 M3.

This is more in line my expectations.
lmao bluebook values.

go check autotrader or ebay. I've seen quite a few 2013s going for the same money as a 2015 with similar miles.

usually the previous generation competition cars go for more than the base model of the next gen. (e46 comps routinely sell for more than e92 base pre-lci)
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You mention the f82 having a mpe - I don't think it gets much better than that short of adding dp/midpipes.
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I've just crossed over from a E92 and I'll say this. The excitement isn't the same as when I first got my E92 M3. I do however love the modern look and the torque.
F8x steering is terrible imo and the biggest drawback. The sound of the S65 is definitely missed and I hate the cold starts up on the F80.
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I found this difficult to believe so checked the Kelley Blue Book on both (based on standard equipment, 100K mileage, condition="good", location=NYC)

2013 M3: Range: $17,700-$21,800; Median/Avg: $19,750
2015 M3: Range: $23,300-$27,100; Median/Avg: $25,200

So, similar equipped, similar odometer and in good condition, the '15 M3 is about 28% more expensive than the '13 M3.

This is more in line my expectations.
Low mileage, highly desirable color 2011 E90 with slicktop, ZCP, cloth, no navi is going for higher than any 15 F8x right now.
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