Car Magazine Comparison test: M4 VS 911S VS F-type S (Scans)

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by paddy335

It's actually £23k but your point is still just as valid.

IMO most people shopping the M4 view the 911 as an aspirational car. Which kind of matches the comparo result.

What someone else said though, doesn't look like this M is going to whup the opposition quite as consistently as it's dad and grandad did.

Oddly, this morning over breakfast I saw an add for a 911 in the paper, was reminded of this post and thought "shit. 23, not 33." Anyway, that is why lawyers hire accountants to do the math for them. sigh.

Not sure if 'most' would view 911 as aspirational, but many do and, yeah, it should be a much better car so it really isn't that surprising.

I'm not 'sky is falling' worried about competition with actual competitors yet, because there really haven't been any (Sutcliffe being the closest with 90%of his comments being 'I prefer the sound of the V8'. Which is nice for him, but not something that is really going to affect me). Lets wait until someone puts it up against an RS5 or another true 4 seater (ie: if Caddy does a CTS-V, new C63, etc).

It could be that the world is getting more competetive and the competition is working harder to make cars that compete with the M3. They might even win some head to heads. As a consumer, that is something I view as a good thing, not a bad thing. I want it to be a hard choice before I give my $$$ to BMW as opposed to Audi as opposed to whomever.

Or, in the words of some guy at some strip club somewhere last night I am sure "you better dance for my dolla dolla bills bitches!"

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by //M sa

You don't miss much do you, impressive reading your posts and Boss going back and forth :-)

[car_fan]

[damnitBobby]

lol at the 1M fanboys.. the m235i is keeping up to pace with the 1M

the M3/4 is certainly faster with all respect to the 1M.. and it also wasn't designed like some afterthought

[tallshortguy]

Are those 0 to 60 times magazine tested or manufacturer numbers? There's not mention.

[stressdoc]

My thoughts are, damn, the M3/4 is in the same league performance-wise as a 911. The m3/4 is more isolated, more techie. Part of that is compromise to fit DD duties. The M3/4 is a better car for an hour or so drive to the airport; way better car to put people in the back seat, stuff in the trunk.

One thing for sure: the M3/4 is not as exotic looking or feeling. The placebo effect of those gorgeous looks and sounds of the Porsche & Jaguar must add a big kick to the initial driving experience. So the M3/4 may not win the comparative tests based on subjective criteria. If stoplight wars are your thing, wow, the M3/4 kills the competition. How tempting it will be to smoke the rich old men in their elegant coupes, who will have to explain to their girlfriends that they were not really trying and street racing is for young punks...

[stressdoc]

Well, yes, it would be audacious to tease a Beyron as well. The 0-100kph times are 4.9 (Jag), 4.5 (Porsche), 4.1 (M3/4). Those are the relevant data for stoplight wars in USA.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

My thoughts are, damn, the M3/4 is in the same league performance-wise as a 911. The m3/4 is more isolated, more techie. Part of that is compromise to fit DD duties. The M3/4 is a better car for an hour or so drive to the airport; way better car to put people in the back seat, stuff in the trunk.

One thing for sure: the M3/4 is not as exotic looking or feeling. The placebo effect of those gorgeous looks and sounds of the Porsche & Jaguar must add a big kick to the initial driving experience. So the M3/4 may not win the comparative tests based on subjective criteria. If stoplight wars are your thing, wow, the M3/4 kills the competition. How tempting it will be to smoke the rich old men in their elegant coupes, who will have to explain to their girlfriends that they were not really trying and street racing is for young punks...

Well said.

...damn kids. GET OFF MY LAWN!

[stressdoc]

“When we tried a head-to-head acceleration test in third gear on the motorway, the F-type disappeared in the M4’s rear-view mirror like it’d run out of bungy cord”

[Lups]

"My thoughts are, damn, the M3/4 is in the same league performance-wise as a 911. The m3/4 is more isolated, more techie. Part of that is compromise to fit DD duties. The M3/4 is a better car for an hour or so drive to the airport; way better car to put people in the back seat, stuff in the trunk.

One thing for sure: the M3/4 is not as exotic looking or feeling. The placebo effect of those gorgeous looks and sounds of the Porsche & Jaguar must add a big kick to the initial driving experience. So the M3/4 may not win the comparative tests based on subjective criteria. If stoplight wars are your thing, wow, the M3/4 kills the competition. How tempting it will be to smoke the rich old men in their elegant coupes, who will have to explain to their girlfriends that they were not really trying and street racing is for young punks..."

That sums it up nicely, also my driving behavior. I'm such a punk.

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

...S62

Ha Ha I can't believe I made that mistake having lived with the S62 for 10 years...it was a typo

Thanks for catching it!

[stressdoc]

Porsche 911 S w/ PDK and sport chrono = 3.9 0-60.
BMW M3/4 w/ DCT = 3.9 0-60.

I don't see any point to arguing whether Porsche or BMW is more conservative. 3.9 = 3.9.

If we are comparing Carrera (not the S), or without sport chrono, or both cars manual, the M3/4 is a smidgeon quicker.

[Sedan_Clan]

E9X....ehhhh, been there done that..........3 times! Bring on the F80!

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by attila

These numbers are so close and so meaning less anyway..
My wife with her 991 C2s convertible (PDK) cannot pull away from the e92M3
(no major mods, AA exhaust and chip, air filter) in fact the M3 slightly pulls ahead! (Granted, she had the roof down and the car is not fully broken in)
On the same time the 997.2 GT3RS destroys the M3.
I have the feeling that the new M3/4 will be just as fast as the current C2S.

Let your wife drive your M3 and you drive her Porsche, and report back.

[stressdoc]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

Let your wife drive your M3 and you drive her Porsche, and report back.

Let me drive her Porsche... Might never report back.

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

Let your wife drive your M3 and you drive her Porsche, and report back.

Meh, launch control in the 911 to launch control in the M3? I doubt he'll see significantly different results.

0-60 mph will be very close between the two vehicles, but over the 1/4 mile the 991S Cab should win, and with professional drivers the 991S Cab should win on any road course every time (at a track day with amateurs, I regularly see Miatas passing 911s and M3s, so this means nothing).

Since I'm guessing the guy was just talking about a few seconds of spirited throttle on the highway, I'm not surprised the 991S Cab can't "pull ahead" convincingly since--given this relatively meaningless performance test--the two cars aren't different enough to see a stark performance delta.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Sapper_M3

Meh, launch control in the 911 to launch control in the M3? I doubt he'll see significantly different results.

0-60 mph will be very close between the two vehicles, but over the 1/4 mile the 991S Cab should win, and with professional drivers the 991S Cab should win on any road course every time (at a track day with amateurs, I regularly see Miatas passing 911s and M3s, so this means nothing).

Since I'm guessing the guy was just talking about a few seconds of spirited throttle on the highway, I'm not surprised the 991S Cab can't "pull ahead" convincingly since--given this relatively meaningless performance test--the two cars aren't different enough to see a stark performance delta.

I disagree, since it takes extremely brave man to beat the wife even in a race, so the Porsche must be shittier than any of us can imagine.

[Powaup]

I literally fell asleep reading this earlier. A 911 C2s that cost 50% more is better than an M4 ? No way... I think we need a Huracan vs M4 comparison next time

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by stressdoc

Let me drive her Porsche... Might never report back.

[Sapper_M3]

Originally Posted by Lups

I disagree, since it takes extremely brave man to beat the wife even in a race, so the Porsche must be shittier than any of us can imagine.

Once again, well played, lups.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Sapper_M3

Once again, well played, lups.

Cheers mate.

[attila]

Originally Posted by bimmerj

Let your wife drive your M3 and you drive her Porsche, and report back.

Well, I know, it could be a different result mainly because my M3 is manual. I am not debating which is faster, just trying to say that the difference is minimal at best. She is not a bad driver, did a few DD event, racing school etc.. She actually preferred her older MX-5 but we really needed at least some minimal back seat to be able to pick up both kids time to time.