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      01-18-2020, 07:41 PM   #45
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I'll also put in my opinion since I have experience with both. Tesla's are incredible daily's and road trip cars but that's it. If you want a new daily, go Tesla, but if you're looking to replace your sports car, you'll feel like you're missing something. It's amazing just sitting back and having it drive me to work or taking a road trip and having it do all the work. Then once it's time to charge (free charging ftw) I watch the on board Netflix/YouTube until it's done. On rainy days with the most recent update I can stand outside the grocery store and it will back out, drive around the parking lot, and come pick me up. I was like everyone else at first talking crap on how it makes you a lazy driver and how all the tech is gimmicky and that you don't need it but trust me once you get behind the wheel and get to experience all these cars have to offer, you'll love it. But like I said, Tesla's will never be able to replace the drama and excitement of driving a sports car. Any car can have this technology and the zippyness of an EV is fun but not anything life changing. It's way more exciting doing a spirited drive in a sports car than in a Tesla. EV's will never be able to replace the pure drama and excitement of driving a gas powered car. Moral of the story, if you're looking to replace whatever sports car you have with a Tesla, it's not worth it but if you're looking for a new daily, it's a great contender
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Being a model 3 and m4 owner, there is space for both in your life. It doesn’t need to be EV vs ICE — you can appreciate cars of all types.
So true. I have colleagues, one has a model X, 3 and S. Having driven I. all, I appreciate the EV segment. But what drives me crazy, no pun intended, are the Tesla owners pushing how superior their car is and likewise for ICE owners.

Like you stated, EV vs ICE.
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I think I've mentioned this before, but I'm in a private social media group with a number of my professional colleagues, and many of them have Model 3, X, and S cars sharing garages with their exotics and they all love their EVs to pieces.

One of the guys in the group who regularly tracks his Senna, 720S, Ford GT, etc. just sold his Model S to get a M3P while he waits for his Taycan Turbo because he loved it so much. When you ask what his favorite car to drive every day is, he says it's his Tesla far and away, and many of the owners out there agree.

I test drove the S back in 2014 and liked it a lot, but it just wasn't for me at the time. Thinking about it or a 3 for my wife's next lease after the Macan though. Kind of tough to beat for everyday commuting.
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You can just lift off the accelerator and it will regen to slow down (you can change this to 3 different modes) or just use the brakes.

The most surprising thing (as I knew it was going to be really fast in a straight line) is how much confidence it gave you in the corners. That's what blew me away more than anything.
Pobst himself helped in development testing, so it's no joke in terms of balance and handling
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hard to drive something when theres not alot of guys fixing and maintaining the car when something happens. and driveless car is still in development mode. more of a selling point. saves gas though. n ppl think your cool because elon musk brings hype.
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A stock RS5 pulled the model 3 from a roll when it was in the right gear. fast forward to 4:10

The 3P was doing 125mph by the time the RS5 passed it. I'm not saying the 3P is the fastest of the cars we are comparing it to. I'm just saying it very clearly doesn't fall on its face after 60mph. And I'd definitely consider it "fast" to over 100mph. Still so ugly, though.

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... I can stand outside the grocery store and it will back out, drive around the parking lot, and come pick me up. ...
This is absolutely bonkers to me.
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hard to drive something when theres not alot of guys fixing and maintaining the car when something happens. and driveless car is still in development mode. more of a selling point. saves gas though. n ppl think your cool because elon musk brings hype.
You do have a valid point, but with these cars there's a fraction of things that can go wrong since there's no motor or transmission. One thing to note is when it comes to damage, I was told that body shops can't fix these cars because Tesla won't sell them parts and they don't want anybody but their own working on these cars so it would be hard to find an Indy shop that would work on these cars.

On the self driving note, it isn't really in development mode anymore. The car already has the capability of being fully autonomous but government regulation prevents that from being released. Tesla just uses the data from everybody using their cars to further improve autonomous mode
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Recent Tesla convert here....traded in my M4 for a Model X and I have no regrets (...yet). The tech and straight line acceleration is awesome. (Feels great demolishing every M car in red light races .) But I honestly do miss having an ICE car and find myself perusing Autotrader a couple times a week looking for a nice weekender that I can slap a loud exhaust on and do some track days/back road sessions without having to worry where the nearest charging station is.
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Recent Tesla convert here....traded in my M4 for a Model X and I have no regrets (...yet). The tech and straight line acceleration is awesome. (Feels great demolishing every M car in red light races .) But I honestly do miss having an ICE car and find myself perusing Autotrader a couple times a week looking for a nice weekender that I can slap a loud exhaust on and do some track days/back road sessions without having to worry where the nearest charging station is.
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Recent Tesla convert here....traded in my M4 for a Model X and I have no regrets (...yet). The tech and straight line acceleration is awesome. (Feels great demolishing every M car in red light races .) But I honestly do miss having an ICE car and find myself perusing Autotrader a couple times a week looking for a nice weekender that I can slap a loud exhaust on and do some track days/back road sessions without having to worry where the nearest charging station is.
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I'd convert from the M4CS to a Tesla P100 if the styling was better. For 95% of my driving, the Tesla would be significantly faster than the M4CS.

The economy of the Tesla would be awesome too.

I may get one as a DD at some point.
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Agreed. The model x is also a weirdly proportioned eyesore. That said, I'm not a big fan of the x4/x6 either. Just don't see the point of a stubby sedan body on an SUV chassis.
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My bad, here you go fam.
Beautiful. Very tastefully modded.
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... I can stand outside the grocery store and it will back out, drive around the parking lot, and come pick me up. ...

This is absolutely bonkers to me.
Total gimmick. What's bonkers to me is that any able bodied person would actually want this. Talk about lazy. What's next? An autonomous ass-wiping toilet bowl? Maybe Tesla could integrate one into next year's model. Think about the possibilities. You wouldn't even need to pull over.
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For 95% of my driving, the Tesla would be significantly faster than the M4CS.
Interesting. So you're saying that for 95% of your driving, you need a faster car than an M4CS? In San Diego / CA traffic? Seriously? You must drive like a madman on meth

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The economy of the Tesla would be awesome too.
Understandable and a very valid point in CA. Your gas prices are beyond NUTS!!
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Pobst himself helped in development testing, so it's no joke in terms of balance and handling
I think Pobst helped develop the "track mode" by supplying feedback -- not the actual suspension etc. The actual part numbers haven't changed since track mode was introduced. You can think of track mode as MDM mode on the F8X platform.
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these rolls tests are skewed. They start the ICE car in top gear rather than the right gear for a roll test. If the porsche was in the right gear then guaranteed the tesla would be bus lengths behind.

A stock RS5 pulled the model 3 from a roll when it was in the right gear. fast forward to 4:10

Did you watch the video ?

They did two roll races, The first one has the 911 in Auto mode starting at 50mph, the second one has the 911 in 2nd gear at 30mph.

I am not sure why they did the second test at 30mph though. It almost seems like it was rigged for the Tesla to win. I wonder what the result would have been with the 911 in 2nd from 50mph...
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Pobst himself helped in development testing, so it's no joke in terms of balance and handling
I think Pobst helped develop the "track mode" by supplying feedback -- not the actual suspension etc. The actual part numbers haven't changed since track mode was introduced. You can think of track mode as MDM mode on the F8X platform.
Am aware. His feedback helped them dial in their track mode setting. I know he didn't help develop any physical parts.

Here's the full write up for anyone interested:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...ersion-review/
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... What's next? An autonomous ass-wiping toilet bowl? ...
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Did you watch the video ?
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I really think you are missing my point and maybe my wording is creating confusion.

EDIT: (tried to correct my wording here a bit) ... My point, which these videos illustrate just fine, is that the Model 3P is extremely quick to 100+mph, regardless of whether it starts at 0mph, 30mph, 50mph. It's not just 0-60 fast. It's that simple. No need to keep overthinking it.
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There are several videos, I think even from Carwow, showing that the Tesla does hit a brick wall at a certain speed and get passed by the ICE cars. Might have been a 1 mile race.
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There are several videos, I think even from Carwow, showing that the Tesla does hit a brick wall at a certain speed and get passed by the ICE cars. Might have been a 1 mile race.
Even in the above videos, it gets passed by the other cars. I get that these other cars are faster at higher speeds. I'm not arguing that. But from what I can see, the 3P doesn't fall on it's face until well after 100mph.
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