Frozen black waxed with BMW matte nano wax

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

I have frozen blue and I use DB matte car wash and it's soapy. The bottle is little but lasted me 2 months and I wash frequently. I would recommend it. Pic after a wash.

just curious what self serve you go to in sd

[Andrae26]

Originally Posted by rjd598

just curious what self serve you go to in sd

https://www.google.com/search?q=para...client=safari# . This is the only one I go to. The spot free water is amazing and if you go in the evening no one is hardly ever there. Also has an air dryer so I never have to touch the paint.

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Thanks. So you do use the Sealant and the BMW nano-wax on top?
I was under the impression you are not too happy with the shine of the sealant?
And how do you even do that - you do a complete IPA wipe down every 3 months!?

I contacted DB as the Sealant is not presented on their website. There is a Dr. Beasley`s Matte Paint Coating, advertised with 1 to 3 years durability! https://www.drbeasleys.com/matte-paint-coating.html

The initial response was a bit ambiguous, that they have renamed the product to better reflect its nature and the sealant is no longer sold (although some distributors have leftovers on stock).... When I asked how come the same product (if identical) now has up to 3 years of claimed durability, whilst previously it had up to 9 months, I was told it is not quite the same, it has been improved...

I found the Sealant 50% off, but wondering if it is worth it, based on the above and also based on the shine, which is quite obvious even for the coating (how could they be happy with this results):
https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...-phillips.html

who said the sealant gives you shine? on the contrary it is an opaque coating that only seals the paint, it doesnt give you any shine, you apply the wax over the sealant, dont know where you got that information about the shine, at least I didnt say it

[edu09]

Originally Posted by nbennettksu

Nice Eduardo!

hey Nic! any tips for the daytona violet? my favorite color...after the frozen black...and frozen blue....and stratus grey

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by edu09

who said the sealant gives you shine? on the contrary it is an opaque coating that only seals the paint, it doesnt give you any shine, you apply the wax over the sealant, dont know where you got that information about the shine, at least I didnt say it

My mistake indeed. That was about the Swissvax Opaque.
I did read people complain about shine with the DB's sealant/coating however. Not having the same experience? The photos of the black matte in the link I provided above do look very shiny.

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

My mistake indeed. That was about the Swissvax Opaque.
I did read people complain about shine with the DB's sealant/coating however. Not having the same experience? The photos of the black matte in the link I provided above do look very shiny.

Oh ok got it! i can guarantee you the sealant will not leave it shiny because you wont leave the paint only with sealant, you will have to apply the wax over it, the sealant is not meant to be a final coat but the base of a final coat

[Skyhigh]

A sealant which doesn't seal?

But how/why do you apply it every 3 months!? This means you need to strip everything down (e.g. with IPA) every 3 months? Sounds extreme...

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

A sealant which doesn't seal?

But how/why do you apply it every 3 months!? This means you need to strip everything down (e.g. with IPA) every 3 months? Sounds extreme...

What do you mean a sealant that doesnt seal? 🤔
I mean by applying the sealant you are giving the paint 2 layers of protection, the sealant is a synthetic product that chemically bonds onto the paint surface and the wax will be added as a 2nd layer of protection to give you the finish coating so you end up with 2 layers of protection, dont see where it is "a sealant that doesnt seal"??
Depending on the exposure of your car to the surroundings you may have to apply it more or less often, i know you like to extend the duration of your products but here in South Florida we have extreme heat, rain, pollutants etc so dont mind doing the application more often but it is up to you, not saying you have to do it so often, just touch and feel your paint and see if it needs a coating already

[Skyhigh]

Normally sealants are "sealing", meaning intended as a top layer. Which of course doesn't prohibit a further layer, e.g. wax.
I get that part, was just joking. Certainly 2 is better than 1.

On the second topic, what I was referring to was not so much the interval, but the fact that if you want to apply the sealant on a bare clear-coat or on a previously applied layer of the same sealant (either of which is required for it to stick!), you need to get to that surface first. Since you have a wax on top of the sealant, you need to strip it down (by which you are effectively also stripping down the previous sealing, partially or entirely) with a deep cleaning product or IPA before you reapply sealant. Otherwise you end up putting sealant on top of wax, in which case you both jeopardise the wax and waste the sealant, as it will not hold on any wax.

And while the above is all doable, I was wondering if you really do that whole process (incl. wipe-down) every 3 months? Or if not - what do you do?

Hope it makes sense now

Products like 10-15% IPA are quite safe, but still not recommended to be used unnecessarily often.

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Normally sealants are "sealing", meaning intended as a top layer. Which of course doesn't prohibit a further layer, e.g. wax.
I get that part, was just joking. Certainly 2 is better than 1.

On the second topic, what I was referring to was not so much the interval, but the fact that if you want to apply the sealant on a bare clear-coat or on a previously applied layer of the same sealant (either of which is required for it to stick!), you need to get to that surface first. Since you have a wax on top of the sealant, you need to strip it down (by which you are effectively also stripping down the previous sealing, partially or entirely) with a deep cleaning product or IPA before you reapply sealant. Otherwise you end up putting sealant on top of wax, in which case you both jeopardise the wax and waste the sealant, as it will not hold on any wax.

And while the above is all doable, I was wondering if you really do that whole process (incl. wipe-down) every 3 months? Or if not - what do you do?

Hope it makes sense now

Products like 10-15% IPA are quite safe, but still not recommended to be used unnecessarily often.

Agree, the wax is a sealant too so you will actually have 2 sealant layers ��
On the 2nd question, yes you have to strip down the previous layers to apply the new layer of sealant and wax, that is when you use the cleanser, it is a longer task but i enjoy it, right now i am not using my car as often as i used to in the past because i bought a few more m3s (doing a small collection of all platforms of M3) and it stays inside a garage with a car cover so this process wont be done as often, now will do it probably every year or so

[Skyhigh]

Ok, so you do strip it every time.
Thanks, was just curious

Cheers.

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Ok, so you do strip it every time.
Thanks, was just curious

Cheers.

Yes I do strip it but havent done it in a while, car has only 10k miles since new in 2.5 years of ownership, need to drive it more

[Skyhigh]

I have a similar annual mileage (a bit younger vehicle). Not using it as a primary.

My overall goal is optimal protection renewed ideally twice (or maximum 3 times) a year (before and after winter).
So I am still looking for the optimal formula. Currently BMW nano wax only, very soon to be renewed.

Very open for a ceramic coating/sealing, as long as it does not add gloss. The DB coating sounds promising, but I still haven't gotten to the bottom of the difference between the Sealant and the Coating and whether the Coating is ceramic-based.

(I do the same for my Audi, except there (standard glossy clear-coat) I now started using a wax promising up to 12m durability, which I hope in reality will cover the 6m I need it to, between applications.)

[Skyhigh]

Just wanted to share my experience with BMW Nano Wax Matte. This is how it looks 5 months after application! This is before a hand-wash (so still with some dirt on it).
I'm impressed. Significantly better than Swissvax Opaque, both in terms of hydrophobic effect and durability!

View post on imgur.com

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Just wanted to share my experience with BMW Nano Wax Matte. This is how it looks 5 months after application! This is before a hand-wash (so still with some dirt on it).
I'm impressed. Significantly better than Swissvax Opaque, both in terms of hydrophobic effect and durability!

View post on imgur.com

looks great! good job man

[Cantab]

Wow. This is the best thread. I also have a Frozen Silver F36. Since there were some questions about DB Matte paint coating and I’ve used the product through I could chime in.

In my experience, applying the paint coating after first a wash and then DB Matte Paint Cleanser, I didn’t get much of a sheen at all. Paint just looked clean. And unfortunately for me, despite driving 10 mins to and from my garage to a covered (but open sided) public garage the hydrophobic qualities never felt like they lasted more than 6 to 8 weeks at most. I actually stopped using it.
Based on your videos I’m going to try the BMW Nanowax this spring.

Thanks for all the valuable info!

[Skyhigh]

Just to double-check - are you saying that the ceramic DB Matte Paint Coating (Coating or Sealant?) only lasted you 6-8 weeks!???

That makes no sense. The least-durable waxes last roughly as long. The product is marketed with „1+ years durability on daily drivers and up to 3 years durability on garaged vehicles".
Any decent ceramic coating lasts at least an year.

How many times have you tried? How long do you wait after application before exposure? How many washes within those 6-8 weeks?

I bought the DB Matte Paint prescription kit, incl coating, but have not applied it yet. I am just so happy with the nano wax that it will wait.

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Just to double-check - are you saying that the ceramic DB Matte Paint Coating (Coating or Sealant?) only lasted you 6-8 weeks!???

That makes no sense. The least-durable waxes last roughly as long. The product is marketed with „1+ years durability on daily drivers and up to 3 years durability on garaged vehicles".
Any decent ceramic coating lasts at least an year.

How many times have you tried? How long do you wait after application before exposure? How many washes within those 6-8 weeks?

I bought the DB Matte Paint prescription kit, incl coating, but have not applied it yet. I am just so happy with the nano wax that it will wait.

i am not talking about any ceramic coating, the DB sealer is not a ceramic coating, it is just a sealer to be applied before you apply the finish or wax (whichever you want to use) the ceramic coating is a complex process and I wouldn't do it by myself, I have paid a pro to install it on my other M3's with gloss paint, I never said it was a ceramic coating, not sure where you got that statement, I have never applied a ceramic coating to any of my frozen paints, the ceramic coating that I have on my other gloss paint M3s is supposed to last 3 years (not one year!), you got all mixed up my friend

[Skyhigh]

Originally Posted by edu09

i am not talking about any ceramic coating, the DB sealer is not a ceramic coating, it is just a sealer to be applied before you apply the finish or wax (whichever you want to use) the ceramic coating is a complex process and I wouldn't do it by myself, I have paid a pro to install it on my other M3's with gloss paint, I never said it was a ceramic coating, not sure where you got that statement, I have never applied a ceramic coating to any of my frozen paints, the ceramic coating that I have on my other gloss paint M3s is supposed to last 3 years (not one year!), you got all mixed up my friend

Aren't we talking past each other here
Let's break this down:

- I was responding to the latest post in the thread, the one from Cantab. So it wasn't really about you

- Cantab wrote about DB Matte Paint Coating, which IS a ceramic coating!

As such, it is supposed to last 1+ years (DB claim „1+ years durability on daily drivers and up to 3 years durability on garaged vehicles")
It is also one of the easy ceramic coatings, intended for self-application. You are correct that there are professional products (with better durability) which require skilled and trained application. This one is apparently not one of those.

-When it comes to the Sealant (which is a separate product no longer offered and substituted by the Coating) - I do believe you got it wrong. A sealant is intended as a last stage. Sealants are typically less durable than ceramic coatings but more durable than waxes (see also the text in the description of the Coating screenshot above, consistent with this). The DB Matte Paint Sealant was marketed with the following durability statement: "reapplication required after up to 9 months". Now from the previous discussion here I understand you prefer to put wax on top of the sealer. This is more a personal choice and the car detailing gurus have hard time agreeing whether multi-layer protection is good or bad. I personally see nothing wrong with it, as long as the products are chemically compatible, which is the tricky part for an end-user to know. But anyway that was not the topic of my (and Cantab's) post

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

Aren't we talking past each other here
Let's break this down:

- I was responding to the latest post in the thread, the one from Cantab. So it wasn't really about you

- Cantab wrote about DB Matte Paint Coating, which IS a ceramic coating!

As such, it is supposed to last 1+ years (DB claim „1+ years durability on daily drivers and up to 3 years durability on garaged vehicles")
It is also one of the easy ceramic coatings, intended for self-application. You are correct that there are professional products (with better durability) which require skilled and trained application. This one is apparently not one of those.

-When it comes to the Sealant (which is a separate product no longer offered and substituted by the Coating) - I do believe you got it wrong. A sealant is intended as a last stage. Sealants are typically less durable than ceramic coatings but more durable than waxes (see also the text in the description of the Coating screenshot above, consistent with this). The DB Matte Paint Sealant was marketed with the following durability statement: "reapplication required after up to 9 months". Now from the previous discussion here I understand you prefer to put wax on top of the sealer. This is more a personal choice and the car detailing gurus have hard time agreeing whether multi-layer protection is good or bad. I personally see nothing wrong with it, as long as the products are chemically compatible, which is the tricky part for an end-user to know. But anyway that was not the topic of my (and Cantab's) post

Oh my bad, i thought you were replying to me since you didnt quote the previous message but just wrote as if you were responding to my thread (not like you did on my last post)
Anyways thanks for the info you are posting in here, seems to me that you are the most experienced with different products for matte paints

[Skyhigh]

No worries
No, actually I consider myself still a rookie in the matte vehicles field, although I am very interested in detailing in general. I have tried just a few matte-specific products. The only reason I know so much about those particular products from DB is that I researched a lot and got in touch with them for clarifications before buying the DB prescription kit incl. Coating late last year but have not used any of the DB products yet.

If it wasn't for you and this thread I would not have known and bought the bmw nano wax, which is absolutely stunning! So thank you!

[edu09]

Originally Posted by Skyhigh

No worries
No, actually I consider myself still a rookie in the matte vehicles field, although I am very interested in detailing in general. I have tried just a few matte-specific products. The only reason I know so much about those particular products from DB is that I researched a lot and got in touch with them for clarifications before buying the DB prescription kit incl. Coating late last year but have not used any of the DB products yet.

If it wasn't for you and this thread I would not have known and bought the bmw nano wax, which is absolutely stunning! So thank you!

I think we all have learned new things with all these comments, thank you all who contributed with comments on this thread and mainly you!