Peter for sale because of LED's.

[dmnc02]

Originally Posted by Blindside_137

If I ever saw a first world problem...

Originally Posted by WAY

Ah ok I got it. Silly question, can't you turn the adaptive function off?

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Filed under "whaaaaaaaaah???"

This must be the lamest reason EVER to sell an ///M car. Time for a driver mod, eih?

This just shows that if you want to get your car coded, it would be wise to spend a bit of time to learn how to do it yourself. The sensitivity of the headlamps (i.e., the darkness threshold at which they come on) can be adjusted and the adaptive function can be coded correctly or turned off. But apparently trading a perfectly good car is the easier way for some people.

[///M///]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Filed under "whaaaaaaaaah???"

This must be the lamest reason EVER to sell an ///M car. Time for a driver mod, eih?

I gather that you are a hot chick, so you won't get too many folks here ragging on you about this. In fact, many will sympathize and offer you hugs and snuggles.

Poor Peter.

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[Cooltones]

Originally Posted by dsm918

All of Lups posts read like this......

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More Cussing!!!

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[Lups]

Originally Posted by WAY

Ah ok I got it. Silly question, can't you turn the adaptive function off? I have never tried and I literally live in the city centre of 4 million people so your issue isn't one that affects me.

Of course I can, but then the high beams are too wide to be used, and the low beams are totally useless. The adaptive mode helps a lot with those but not enough.

I'm extremely impressed how well my excellent shots have been taken guys. It really paid off to rent the moose (horses) if they explained this problem better.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Bluex

Lups , there are a few things here, and we've been around this hoopty do revue a few times before over these lights, but here are my thoughts.

When I initially did my Euro Coding (just removing the 2 limiting feature codes from FA and then VO coding all ecu's) I thought "My God, this is awful". It's functionality was so damned limited, not enough light, turning off beams too late, poor light coverage, terrible fill in spots, ect. That started me posting to the Adaptive LED thread about how this feature just didn't work. Luckily there were others not accepting of the LED functionality and highly respected coders of 2 BMW boards working hard at diligently ( dmnc02 and others) and finding the issues and working to correct them. They have.....and I literally experienced every one of your complaints prior.

I was at the point prior to this that I was going to simply code out the Euro features and never even use HBA. Btw, Lups, you still CAN do that without having to sell your M, right? You can manually control them if you don't care for the lights.

My point is though, and I know i've said this before, but now that the issues with adaptive euro anti-dazzle have been corrected and tested (admittedly small sample size though), don't you think it's in your best interest to confirm that yours are coded correctly? I'm not accusing you at all......just saying, grab dmnc02 's cheat sheet in the LED thread towards the last few pages and confirm or have a coder confirm for you as you look in as well that they are done correctly. There are 3 different coding steps involved.

The best way, truly, is to simply get a cable and esys and look at the values yourself. Hell, if you don't feel comfortable enough to code it, that's fine, but just learn how to connect to your car and view what values have been set.

Once it's been confirmed to be coded correctly then you can make a judgement whether or not you like it. You very well may still not, who knows.....but I wouldn't SELL your car till you know for sure, right?

Btw, I did the bulk of my testing on these lights driving through middle upstate NY all the way down to central PA......many many miles, in the dark and through mountains. Plenty of truly dark skies, very little light pollution and they worked marvelously.

I wouldn't have sold my car with how horribly the LED's with Euro adaptive *initially* performed, but as I said, it was enough for me to simply never use any HBA feature again.

But after it was corrected.....this is part of my daily night driving routine and I have to say I like it. I see so much more on the road and the side of the road than I ever did before.

Confirm for yourself, don't rely on what others tell you.....especially if it has you wanting to sell your car

Meh, I need four doors anyway. Because of the lights Peter can't be driven at the times I have time normally, so I'm taking this excuse.

As said, in manual mode the long beams are too long, so you end up driving in the dark for really long times anyway.

Peter and I have about year together before I have the time for my next road trip. For that I will not be taking him with me though.

I hope the night drivers consider my words. I have had the miles to make my review and I know you all hope to be as artistic as I was with these talented shots.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

Filed under "whaaaaaaaaah???"

This must be the lamest reason EVER to sell an ///M car. Time for a driver mod, eih?

I gather that you are a hot chick, so you won't get too many folks here ragging on you about this. In fact, many will sympathize and offer you hugs and snuggles.

Poor Peter.

Actually, I've been told I'm a 48 year old man who doesn't shower.

Dude I need the four door version anyway. The lights annoy me enough to make the change earlier than I would've otherwise.

Anyway. I've complained about this issue so much nobody wants to talk with me anymore, so I thought I'd bring it up here and annoy you all with this too. I'm good for for a year now since I'm back in the city, but I did have the time to analyze the shortcomings of the led's while out for two weeks.

[RPiM5]

As someone who got to experience Lups's problem first hand I have to say that her complaints are completely substantiated. I got to ride in her M4 with her and see what she was talking about. She then rode in my M5 and I have to say that the good old regular Xenon's functioned a lot better in the dark. We were driving on dark roads, lighted roads, and roads with plenty of traffic on them. The Adaptive LED's seem to react to slowly to oncoming cars and she is right, whenever there was a speed limit sign with its highly reflective surface, her LED's would turn off, as if the camera or sensor was detecting it to be an oncoming car. Overall though, when her car has just the regular low beams on, the LED's lights were shining completely unevenly onto the road in front of the car and they were all shining far too short (probably between 40-60ft) in front of the car to be safe. I agreed with her that it is dangerous to drive with the low beams in that condition. The high beams would simply blind all the drivers in front of the car though, so it was a no win situation.

I personally found the constant moving of the lights adaptive function somewhat distracting while driving. When we drove around in the M5, we could simply see further down the road with the Xenon low beams on. The M5 and M6 have the advantage of having a Night Vision system option so being able to point an LED light to the side to see the sides of the roads is nice but with the Night Vision not so much necessary. It too would drive me crazy if I couldn't see that far down the road with the low beams on. Funny how the LED's on the Audi's don't have the same problems. Even on the early LED lights on the R8. Perhaps this technology is still in its infancy, or perhaps BMW is just fucking it up. Then again I haven't seen any M5 or M6 owners complain about the Adaptive LED's yet.

I don't know about the 2016 M3/M4 but with the LCI 2015 and 2016 M5, you get the LED Lights now only if you get the Executive Package, which is lame, because if you don't want the LED's you can't get the Executive Package. I know a guy with a 2013 M6 that doesn't have Executive Package and the car feels really lacking. Hopefully BMW will still let people order the LED lights separately with the 2016 M3/M4.

By the way the diorama with the horses and moose had me falling out of my chair laughing.

[04cobra]

IMO turn adaptive off, and just blind the other cars.

[F83]

Originally Posted by Falafel Combo

This must be the lamest reason EVER to sell an ///M car.

Oh come on, there's huge competition for that title. Personally I'm going with "The air conditioning isn't cold enough unless I hit "Max" which I shouldn't have to do, and by the way nobody else has any idea what I'm dealing with because it's as hot as the sun where I live - way hotter than anywhere else pretty much on earth. But in spite of the fact that the place I live is supernaturally hot, I still shouldn't have to hit Max Air to get nice and cool - so therefore the car sucks".

Or something like that anyway.

Lups is describing a safety issue when driving on dark rural roads. Safety issues are never lame. It's possible she messed up the coding I suppose but I've heard enough complaints about adaptive mode (and the fact that the true European version isn't enabled in the US for safety reasons) - I'm guessing that it truly is not ready for prime time. Feeling pretty good about my plain boring Xenons right now.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

As someone who got to experience Lups's problem first hand I have to say that her complaints are completely substantiated. I got to ride in her M4 with her and see what she was talking about. She then rode in my M5 and I have to say that the good old regular Xenon's functioned a lot better in the dark. We were driving on dark roads, lighted roads, and roads with plenty of traffic on them. The Adaptive LED's seem to react to slowly to oncoming cars and she is right, whenever there was a speed limit sign with its highly reflective surface, her LED's would turn off, as if the camera or sensor was detecting it to be an oncoming car. Overall though, when her car has just the regular low beams on, the LED's lights were shining completely unevenly onto the road in front of the car and they were all shining far too short (probably between 40-60ft) in front of the car to be safe. I agreed with her that it is dangerous to drive with the low beams in that condition. The high beams would simply blind all the drivers in front of the car though, so it was a no win situation.

I personally found the constant moving of the lights adaptive function somewhat distracting while driving. When we drove around in the M5, we could simply see further down the road with the Xenon low beams on. The M5 and M6 have the advantage of having a Night Vision system option so being able to point an LED light to the side to see the sides of the roads is nice but with the Night Vision not so much necessary. It too would drive me crazy if I couldn't see that far down the road with the low beams on. Funny how the LED's on the Audi's don't have the same problems. Even on the early LED lights on the R8. Perhaps this technology is still in its infancy, or perhaps BMW is just fucking it up. Then again I haven't seen any M5 or M6 owners complain about the Adaptive LED's yet.

I don't know about the 2016 M3/M4 but with the LCI 2015 and 2016 M5, you get the LED Lights now only if you get the Executive Package, which is lame, because if you don't want the LED's you can't get the Executive Package. I know a guy with a 2013 M6 that doesn't have Executive Package and the car feels really lacking. Hopefully BMW will still let people order the LED lights separately with the 2016 M3/M4.

By the way the diorama with the horses and moose had me falling out of my chair laughing.

Thank you for not mentioning I kidnapped you to proof my point about the lights. Thank you also for not calling the cops. Explaining why i dragged a man out for a drive in the middle of the night to show off my headlights is not apparently a solid defense even in the USA. No cop would buy it and I would've had to take him for a spin too.

I knew you'd be impressed with my artistic talents. My husband came to the kitchen last night while I was making that and the look on his face was a good one. "you just keep getting weirder every year Anna".

[ForsaBee]

Originally Posted by dsm918

All of Lups posts read like this......

F#%#!! F#%# F@%~

More Cussing!!!

"I need Coffee"

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Just sell the car and get a Honda Accord. Good riddance.

[dmnc02]

Originally Posted by F83

Oh come on, there's huge competition for that title. Personally I'm going with "The air conditioning isn't cold enough unless I hit "Max" which I shouldn't have to do, and by the way nobody else has any idea what I'm dealing with because it's as hot as the sun where I live - way hotter than anywhere else pretty much on earth. But in spite of the fact that the place I live is supernaturally hot, I still shouldn't have to hit Max Air to get nice and cool - so therefore the car sucks".

Or something like that anyway.

Lups is describing a safety issue when driving on dark rural roads. Safety issues are never lame. It's possible she messed up the coding I suppose but I've heard enough complaints about adaptive mode (and the fact that the true European version isn't enabled in the US for safety reasons) - I'm guessing that it truly is not ready for prime time. Feeling pretty good about my plain boring Xenons right now.

Please point to any post by somebody who has coded this correctly (rather than having it coded by somebody else and so not knowing what was coded) and has complained about adaptive LEDs.

[IM2C]

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[Lups]

Originally Posted by dmnc02

Please point to any post by somebody who has coded this correctly (rather than having it coded by somebody else and so not knowing what was coded) and has complained about adaptive LEDs.

Please point other member who drive at the hours I do.

I'll get you the details of what has been done as soon as Mr Bim wakes up. He will probably get his kicks for seeing my ass kicked here anyway, so he'd be more than willing to share all information with you.

[dmnc02]

Originally Posted by Lups

Please point other member who drive at the hours I do.

I'll get you the details of what has been done as soon as Mr Bim wakes up. He will probably get his kicks for seeing my ass kicked here anyway, so he'd be more than willing to share all information with you.

The cumulative number of driving hours by people who have coded or recoded this far exceeds yours. But of course you are far more perceptive than anybody else on this board.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by dmnc02

The cumulative number of driving hours by people who have coded or recoded this far exceeds yours. But of course you are far more perceptive than anybody else on this board.

Lol, I would love to claim that, but no. The only reason those started to bug me was the long drives done over the last few weeks. I had the time to analyze them and see the bad stuff repeatedly.

As said, in the city area the coding fixes all problems the leds have well enough. I just thought I had a point to make even if my opinion is not going to be a popular one.

[dds007]

So, you're selling the m4 for an m5/6? Because it has better headlights (and a bigger engine)? Sounds like a win-win

[Lups]

Originally Posted by dds007

So, you're selling the m4 for an m5/6? Because it has better headlights (and a bigger engine)? Sounds like a win-win

Actually, I think I'll get an M3. I love my car to bits, but I need the extra seatbelt, the doors and xenons.

I thought I'd do this move in a few years time but the last two weeks pushed the timetable forward a bit.

[dmnc02]

Originally Posted by Lups

Lol, I would love to claim that, but no. The only reason those started to bug me was the long drives done over the last few weeks. I had the time to analyze them and see the bad stuff repeatedly.

As said, in the city area the coding fixes all problems the leds have well enough. I just thought I had a point to make even if my opinion is not going to be a popular one.

Maybe you can convince BMW to refund you the $10 you paid for the tools and buy the rights to your pictures so that it can fix the adaptive feature that everybody in Europe gets from the factory with LEDs. But I guess Europe is just one big city area

[N55]

LUPS I'll be the nice guy and trade you my Xenons for your LEDs

[Lups]

Originally Posted by N55

LUPS I'll be the nice guy and trade you my Xenons for your LEDs

I thought about this too, but I'll just buy an M3 next summer. I need the doors anyway.

[///M-er-gized]

Originally Posted by Lups

Actually, I think I'll get an M3. I love my car to bits, but I need the extra seatbelt, the doors and xenons.

Good choice! M3 with xenons. I'm not ordering my car until December or January, but that's exactly what I'm getting.

I'm not getting into the debate about how LEDs behave or don't behave, but I have a 335 with xenons right now, and it's the best lighting package I ever had. I just don't see a compelling reason for upgrading to the LEDs.