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View Poll Results: What will the MSRP of the M3 sedan be without destination fee?
$67,000 to $70,000 12 11.43%
$64,000 to $67,000 29 27.62%
$61,000 to $64,000 47 44.76%
Under $61,000 17 16.19%
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      11-24-2013, 09:14 PM   #1
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What will the M3 sedan base price be?

I'm expecting the M3 sedan to come in at $60,800. The way I derive that number is adding $9000 to a 335i M Sport with options that bring it up to base M3 trim is $51,800:

$500 - Heated Front Seats
$2150 - Navigation system with touchpad
$500 - Metallic Paint

An RS5 is $69,800 but that car is basically an M4 coupe with the executive package. So $60,800 + $3,600 for coupe + $5500 exec package with extended leather = $69,900. Normally a coupe is only $2600 more than a sedan but the M4 has a carbon fiber trunk lid.

So I'm also implying that the coupe base price will be $64,400.
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      11-24-2013, 09:26 PM   #2
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The out the door price can still climb quite a bit, based on my guesses here:

$1900 - Driver Assistance Plus (ZDB)
$1900 - Lighting Package (ZEP)
$5500 - Executive Package (ZEC)
$2900 – M Double-clutch Transmission with Drivelogic
$6000 – M Carbon Ceramic Brakes
$1000 – Adaptive M Suspension
$1100 -19″ Light Alloy Wheel Double-Spoke Style 437 M with Mixed Performance Tires
$0 – Moonroof (will delete the CFK Roof)
$575 – Power rear sunshade
$500 – Anthracite Wood Trim
$250 - Automatic high beams
$750 - Side and Top View Cameras
$500 – Parking Assistant
$800 – Harman Kardon surround sound system
$250 – Concierge Services
$250 – Enhanced USB & Bluetooth plus Smartphone Integration
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The way I derive that number is adding $9000 to a 335i M Sport with options that bring it up to base M3 trim...
Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at the $9000 figure?
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      11-25-2013, 09:40 AM   #4
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Adaptive M Suspension doesn't come standard on an M car?

Also, should we expect that the upgraded stereo in the F80 will sound the same as the HK stereo in the F30?
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Just out of curiosity, how did you arrive at the $9000 figure?
$7000 was about the jump from a 328i to a 335i. $9000 is about the jump you make when you go from an A4 to an S4.

The M3 engine is being made on a regular 3 series assembly line, nor is it being built primarily by hand. This is actually true of the GT3 engine also - Porsche has added lots of automation to the process. The cost should no longer be $25k-$30k for the engine.
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The cost should no longer be $25k-$30k for the engine.
$25k or $10k, they're still gonna charge us as much as the market can bear for that engine.

Base car is going to be $60k+, I'd wager on it. BMW has become very greedy and allowing Audi to undercut them by significant amounts.
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$7000 was about the jump from a 328i to a 335i. $9000 is about the jump you make when you go from an A4 to an S4.
I see. You might just want to look-up some M-specific numbers as well. One good data point might be the difference in price between the recently departed 2013 E92 335i M-Sport and 2013 E92 M3, optioned similarly like your F30 335i example. I don't know what the difference is myself, by the way. It may very well be near your 9k mark.

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The M3 engine is being made on a regular 3 series assembly line, nor is it being built primarily by hand. This is actually true of the GT3 engine also - Porsche has added lots of automation to the process. The cost should no longer be $25k-$30k for the engine.
No doubt there are dozens of places BMW or other companies could choose to lower their profit margins. But that's really a separate topic from what they actually do in practice, which is all that we care about as far as estimating the price they charge the consumer.
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You and I thinking pretty close OP.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=908997
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You and I thinking pretty close OP.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=908997
I think they're going to get the ceramics done for well under $7k. The 4400 pound M5 and M6 need a much larger disc than a 3400 pound M3 will.
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The old M3 Sedan was 55ish right? I would guess around $56-59k then with no options. The F30's base price wasn't that far off the E90's, so I would imagine the same for the F80.

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The old M3 Sedan was 55ish right? I would guess around $56-59k then with no options. The F30's base price wasn't that far off the F30's, so I would imagine the same for the F80.
I'd wager that's a pretty good guess, especially when you consider that navigation, among a few other "options" are now standard.
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I have feeling that it will be something like $59,500 base MSRP for USA.
I hope it doesn't go over 68k with options that I want (DCT, Executive, HK Audio, 19 in wheel).
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I think they're going to get the ceramics done for well under $7k. The 4400 pound M5 and M6 need a much larger disc than a 3400 pound M3 will.
The ceramics are probably smaller since they fit with the 19" wheels according to the dealer launch order form (M5, M6 need 20" wheels to fit the ceramics).
Not sure they would be "well under $7k" though.
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The ceramics are probably smaller since they fit with the 19" wheels according to the dealer launch order form (M5, M6 need 20" wheels to fit the ceramics).
Not sure they would be "well under $7k" though.
The RS5 has them listed for $6000. It's a bit absurd to have a single option that is more than 10% of the base price of the car.
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E93 335is = 61k
E93 M3 = 69k

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I think they're going to get the ceramics done for well under $7k. The 4400 pound M5 and M6 need a much larger disc than a 3400 pound M3 will.
Right, but the ceramic brakes are over $9k on the M5/M6. The most annoying thing for me will be not having the keyless entry, because there is no way I am going to pay $5k plus for a package I don't want just so I can get the keyless entry.
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They're $7k on a Cayman.
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The RS5 has them listed for $6000. It's a bit absurd to have a single option that is more than 10% of the base price of the car.
Not if you will truly use them or are into modding. I'm in the market for a new car for me (IDC if it's used or new, as long as it's what I want and low miles). Having been getting bored with even my FBO semi stripped e92 m3, I want something more extreme and luxury is starting to go out the window for me. I've seriously been considering a 996tt with engine mods, cage, sparcos (mine are leather and alcantara/CF and made for a gt3 so the interior still has a hint of luxury) akra, volks, and jrz pros. Most would consider that a rather old car to dump that kind of money into it. Or I could do the smart thing and buy a new car with a warranty, but... I'm not that practical. The other cars I'm considering with the same setup above includes another 2008-2010 m3s with blower or a c6 z06, or maybe even an e46 m3, 135is or even a twin clutch evo with built motor, like a totally done up cosworth deal. Again, kind of old or cheap cars to dump serious cash and tuning into, but I'm in love with the game! Or I might just buy the base model of the new corvette when it's available and mod slowly. Lately I've been itching for some real muscle, and supercharged built motor vettes are truly intoxicating. The c7 apparently has only 2 parts carried over from the c6 and drives much with much more stability on road courses.

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I'm expecting the M3 sedan to come in at $60,800. The way I derive that number is adding $9000 to a 335i M Sport with options that bring it up to base M3 trim is $51,800:

$500 - Heated Front Seats
$2150 - Navigation system with touchpad
$500 - Metallic Paint

An RS5 is $69,800 but that car is basically an M4 coupe with the executive package. So $60,800 + $3,600 for coupe + $5500 exec package with extended leather = $69,900. Normally a coupe is only $2600 more than a sedan but the M4 has a carbon fiber trunk lid.

So I'm also implying that the coupe base price will be $64,400.
I was damn close. The final price is $61,550 and I guessed $60,800.
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