M3 CS Prices

[Ex_Stig]

Time will tell if the CS becomes a valuable collectible car. I'm thinking at least 15-20 years.

[visi107]

Originally Posted by LOW4LYF

Sweet Jesus ������ If they gonna drop the price more, I gonna do a huge mistake ��


Question: Could my dealer get the car for the same price? I mean do dealer share or sell cars each other?

Their Price is a little deceiving, it includes the 4250 (3500 lease and 750 loyalty) credit and also does not include destination charge 995 (which is really part of MSRP and also comes with a 0.00228 MF

[visi107]

In short term, 3 years, my guess is that they will not go for the residual that BMW is setting; 61K for a 3 year old car with 30k miles at a time when the new model might be around 70

[DS_BMW]

Anyone finding better deals than 94-96k? That's about where most dealers seem to be at.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Time will tell if the CS becomes a valuable collectible car. I'm thinking at least 15-20 years.

Assuming you buy the CS at $100k and you could get a conservative 5% on your return, the value of the car would have to increase to over $250k in 20 years in order for it to be worth it. I don't think that's going to happen.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Assuming you buy the CS at $100k and you could get a conservative 5% on your return, the value of the car would have to increase to over $250k in 20 years in order for it to be worth it. I don't think that's going to happen.

$250k in 20 years is equivalent to about $160k in today's dollars when you adjust for inflation so this scenario looks even more bleak.

[Flacht3]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

You mean like Shelby Cobras that they could not sell for YEARS after production ended and are now high 6 figure/7 figure cars? Oh wait you mean like the E30 M3's that also sat on dealer lots for years? No, no you meant like the 911 RS America's (911 and 964 models) and the 911 Speedsters that sat around forever right?

If anything the longer cars sit implies that they are too much for the general public to enjoy, but are exactly what enthusiasts want. Keep an eye on the values of the 14/15 Camaro Z28's and see what happens 30 years from now...

You mean the Shelby Cobra where they only produced 998? Yes, great comparison to modern day, mass produced cars.

My issue with the CS and other similar models ever gaining value is that they're not different enough from a standard M3/4 etc where you have tens of thousands on the market. In 20 years, is anyone really going to care about a 2019 CS vs. 2018 M3? Probably not enough to pay a major premium for it.

Same with the point about cars sitting "implies that they are too much for the general public to enjoy". No not really, just that they're priced too aggressively for the current market and alternative options for the general public to say "I want that $100k CS vs. the $70k M3". Further, it's hard to say "I want that $100k CS vs the CPO $125k GT3".

My last point, then I'll end my rant, is that these cars will never gain enough value to make them worthwhile. Even a 1990 E30 M3 selling for $60k today is actually really worth about $30k of your original 1990 dollars when you adjust for inflation. What did they sticker for? Around $30k no? So that means you basically broke even on the car 30 years later, which is fantastic, but not something I'd consider to be any sort of investment or great asset.

Bottom line, buy the cars you want to drive. If you're stuck on worrying about depreciation/appreciation you should probably just move on.

[visi107]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Assuming you buy the CS at $100k and you could get a conservative 5% on your return, the value of the car would have to increase to over $250k in 20 years in order for it to be worth it. I don't think that's going to happen.

I'm not sure this is a fair comparison . . you are looking at a car as a form of investment which is not the norm and might only apply to very very few limited cars out there. None from the current BMW lineup.

[visi107]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Anyone finding better deals than 94-96k? That's about where most dealers seem to be at.

The guy that I got my M3 from might be able to do a little better. If you are interested PM me.

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by visi107

I'm not sure this is a fair comparison . . you are looking at a car as a form of investment which is not the norm and might only apply to very very few limited cars out there. None from the current BMW lineup.

A "valuable collectible" typically denotes a rise in value above what it was originally worth. There are other ways to describe value but would it really be a collectible to most if it didn't rise in value?

[CanAutM3]

Come on guys, the CS are not "collectibles", they are meant to be driven and enjoyed .

[visi107]

Originally Posted by r0wr

A "valuable collectible" typically denotes a rise in value above what it was originally worth. There are other ways to describe value but would it really be a collectible to most if it didn't rise in value?

I agree with the definition . . . just don't see any current BMW cars fitting that description nor would i expect them to.

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Come on guys, the CS are not "collectibles", they are meant to be driven and enjoyed .

[r0wr]

Originally Posted by visi107

I agree with the definition . . . just don't see any current BMW cars fitting that description nor would i expect them to.

That's exactly my point in my first response to the person I originally responded to above

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by r0wr

Assuming you buy the CS at $100k and you could get a conservative 5% on your return, the value of the car would have to increase to over $250k in 20 years in order for it to be worth it. I don't think that's going to happen.

I’d be surprised if they’re going for anything more than $70k in 3 years. Nothing special about the CS. They aren’t selling for a reason.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

I'd be surprised if they're going for anything more than $70k in 3 years. Nothing special about the CS. They aren't selling for a reason.

I agree that they aren't selling at their MSRP. But for the deal that I got, it was too good to pass up.

[xiliy]

Is it reasonable to purchase car at invoice or do you guys feel I can do better, purchase below invoice?

[arciga18]

Originally Posted by xiliy

Is it reasonable to purchase car at invoice or do you guys feel I can do better, purchase below invoice?

Dude, there is a whole thread.

CS Deals Steals...

Who knows what you will be able to do tomorrow, but people were getting huge discounts. Will have to see if BMW kills the lease support for 2018s

[uniqueMR]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Come on guys, the CS are not "collectibles", they are meant to be driven and enjoyed .

100%

[Alpine_F82]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

I’d be surprised if they’re going for anything more than $70k in 3 years. Nothing special about the CS. They aren’t selling for a reason.

I see a cs sitting at the 60k-70k mark until the m4gts goes up in value which could be a couple years then it will level out around msrp. At the end of the day just drive the car.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

I’d be surprised if they’re going for anything more than $70k in 3 years. Nothing special about the CS. They aren’t selling for a reason.

Have you driven one?

[Andrae26]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Have you driven one?

It's always the people that don't own one or haven't driven one that makes these assumptions. I've had every single F80 and the CS is way better than the others.

[LOW4LYF]

Originally Posted by Andrae26

It's always the people that don't own one or haven't driven one that makes these assumptions. I've had every single F80 and the CS is way better than the others.

Really? So you think the CS with the missing armrest, one zone AC, missing comfort access is a better daily as my loaded ZCP?

And yes, I drove both... F80 and F82 CS and had a lease offer on a CS which was lower than my current ZCP!