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08-29-2020, 06:12 AM | #23 | |
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here's my experience with my my18 f82 non zcp dct for what's it's worth (and by no means am I trying to place any blame). I ran the car stock for the first~5k miles then went with Alex@alpine gts tune. ran perfectly till 12k miles when I went with his gts+ that was meant for stock down pipes. literally on my test drive back in the neighborhood as I was coming to a stop sign I got the drivetrain malfunction notice. got the car fixed and ran it stock for the next 5k miles and the went back to the original gts flash and have been running that ever since without issues and am at 36k miles now. before sch I used the kick down maybe a total of 5-6 times but didn't do it on that test drive. since the fix the only change in my driving habit has been to never use the kick down otherwise I drive it the same. I'm my opinion if you're stage 1 I wouldn't spend the money but if you start pushing above 550hp like stage 2 or turbo upgrades, etc and are keeping the car long-term then get the fix because it's risky at those power level
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I have stage 1 and I got the SSR 4 pin crank hub fix for peace of mind plus I plan to keep the car for another 3+ yrs. I was already getting charge pipes, charge cooler, intakes, spark plugs and other major servicing done so about 1/4 of the labor For the crank hub fix was already covered.
I like that I can beat the shit out of my car without worry and know that I am ready for stage 2 or upgraded turbos if I decide to do that. Of course if you’re not the worrying type, statistically speaking you should be fine with stage 1 and stock crank hub. Also, there’s worse things you can spend $4k on... like my Remus exhaust. It’s cool and all but it didn’t make too much difference compared to stock w/ valves opened. Would’ve gotten as much enjoyment if I just got a midpipe and larger exhaust tips. |
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Crank hub issue is just not that big a deal. At least 98% of all M3's and M4's will never see this issue. AND, even if it happens and it's out of warranty and you don't have crazy mods I would expect BMW to cover under good will.
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Yes in fact that's exactly what I am saying. Have seen it more than once. |
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Please let me know where you are located so i can bring in my out of warranty slightly modified ( no crazy mods here ) M4 with a spun CH so you can fix it for free. oh my carbon ceramic brakes are about done can you fix this too under " good will " please thanks! Ill be in the waiting area drinking free champagne ...please text me when its ready to pick up and yes i do want it hand washed. |
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Yes...i understand what "good will" work is I've had it done for me at a merc dealership when i had a c63 it was Way out of warranty and i was a new owner, they were simply trying to earn my future biz and knew i had a very expensive out of pocket car to maintain.
I GET IT! But this is plain Ludacris to EXPECT bmw to repair out of warranty a TUNED & broken M car it just is....its a very expensive repair anyway you slice it...its not free wiper blades or oil change. Has it happened ? I dunno maybe 1 or 2 lucky original owners out there that fall under there rare circumstances? but even to get bmw to replace my spark plugs wile UNDER fully warranty was like pulling teeth. BTW...ill bet your alpine white M4 is beautiful :-) |
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@ccowan19 - yep, this is exactly what I am saying. BMW often does right by owners who don't abuse cars.
@65fastback - dude, relax. I'm not a service advisor; I'm just someone offering my thoughts on an Internet forum. I don't want to go out back after 6th period and fight you in the quad. Anyway - to OP's point and question, stage one software tune only should not make you overly afraid of the rare crank hub failure. |
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Just calling BS on you. BMW service departments in my area are not comping 4k repair jobs to people with no warranty & a tune on their M cars. Id like to know where this can be done You make it sound like a common occurrence. Some if not many of these cars are the 2nd and 3rd owner tuning them and having issues ( not all i said some) ....if you are NOT the original owner chances are your not getting any good will services done let alone a crank hub job or bent valve fix or whatever! Maybe start a poll and see how many people out of warranty with a tune have gotten a free " good will " bmw service department SCH repair. |
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Remember, just the crank hub itself is one thing, but if you get contact in a cylinder, or similar damage, you're looking at an engine rebuild/replace, not just a crankhub replacement (a stock crankhub, no less). Even removing your tune, BMW is going to know the kind of boost you've been putting down, and may or may not play along. It could be a few $grand, or you could be forced to buy out your lease. Think of it this way: running a tune has risks. If you're okay with them, do it. I was. I tuned all of my owned and leased BMWs with stage 1 piggybacks. I remember my CA actually *recommending* I tune my F31 when I took delivery. But remember one of the risks is your dealer deciding not to warranty the work if you run into problems. I have nothing against BMWNA or any dealer. They've always treated me very well, but when it comes to major damage, they will definitely push back, and you could run out of luck. You'll be taking as much risk as you did with your crank hub. I say tune it without upgrading the CH, but keep some $ lying around.
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I spoke at lengths with h2motors here in Germany who have their own CBC solution. They informed me that the CBC is a great solution. That generally speaking, the chances of a SCH is very low and they have seen only a few. They work on tons of M cars and have been fixing the issue from the start of the N54. Also said, they have a lot of cars running only the CBC with 700+nm. So, with all the nonsense I just typed, that's the solution I'm going with. 450€ parts and labor for piece of mind.
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