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      05-24-2013, 05:51 PM   #155
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Eh not really. Their first V8 was the OHV V8 from the 50's in 60's which was meh. Then there was a 25ish year gap with no V8's made. In the early 90's BMW introduced the M60, which wasn't really that powerful for its size. I mean it wasn't a bad engine, it just wasn't great. Then the M62 came out, the only real performance difference is that had more torque. The S62 was a great engine however. Very sporty yet civilized. The next V8 was the N62, which was a good engine. It did have a weird characteristic though, it had massive throttle lag on start-off (and I mean massive throttle lag). I have driven all sorts of BMW's and never experienced that amount of lag. The next V8 was the S65, which actually powers God's chariot. Then we have the N63, which as we all know is very powerful. However its not very exciting.

So BMW isn't really a renowned maker of V8's. They have made two greats, one good, the rest are meh. Where as they have a much more consistent record with their inline 6's. I would have to agree with the statement that BMW has never really been about V8's.
I agree "great" was not the right adjective to use here. I simply wanted to point out that V8 as much as I4 or I6 have been part of BMW history (despite the 25 year hiatus). Further, looking at stats, their V8s (older or more recent one) are pretty much on par with their I6 in terms of performance per litre throughout the years...

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      05-24-2013, 06:04 PM   #156
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3.0L S55 Motor revving to 7K, at most 7200 - mark my words
How about a friendly wager then? Shall we say the winner donates an agreed upon sum to a worth charity in the forum's name?

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Whatever happened to those guys? lololol
Unfortunate, isn't it? Still powered some crazy fast high revving turbocharged S54s though. Maybe there's no market in that anymore, I don't know. But I'll bet BMW can figure out how to pedal their latest wares to eager enthusiasts.
Sure, except it wont be in the forums name but my name instead. I say closer to 7k... u say closer to 8k... so 7501 rpm and up and u can have it. $50, choose a charity and pm me when it's revealed. Vice-versa for u... deal?
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      05-24-2013, 06:14 PM   #157
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Sure, except it wont be in the forums name but my name instead. I say closer to 7k... u say closer to 8k... so 7501 rpm and up and u can have it. $50, choose a charity and pm me when it's revealed. Vice-versa for u... deal?
Ah, but what happened to marking your words of "7200 RPM"?

But no, that's fine, I accept those terms. The amount sounds fine and we can pick the cause later on after the results are known.
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Ah, but what happened to marking your words of "7200 RPM"?

But no, that's fine, I accept those terms. The amount sounds fine and we can pick the cause later on after the results are known.
Deal
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I love it
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      05-24-2013, 08:25 PM   #160
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Screenshotted this...
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      05-24-2013, 08:46 PM   #161
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I doubt the redline will be at 7200 pm but if the bet is that power will not build above that level I'll keep my markers on ASAP.
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      05-25-2013, 07:05 AM   #162
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Guys, just belive that reason why they make it rev "nearly 8000rpm" is that they can make power on low boost. Engine breath better on high revs so no need to add boost so much, means smaller turbo lag, cooler charged air and no overheat issues. If redline is somewhere about 7200rpm ( In my mind "nearly 7000rpm"), is big mistake for Bmw Motorsport.
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      05-25-2013, 08:04 AM   #163
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I feel BMW is going for a first with this engine:

Individual throttle bodies in a production turbo i6. That's going to allow for the response (no turbo lag) and high redline.
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      05-25-2013, 09:11 AM   #164
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I feel BMW is going for a first with this engine:

Individual throttle bodies in a production turbo i6. That's going to allow for the response (no turbo lag) and high redline.
Get ready to be disappointed.
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      05-25-2013, 09:45 AM   #165
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I feel BMW is going for a first with this engine:

Individual throttle bodies in a production turbo i6. That's going to allow for the response (no turbo lag) and high redline.
BMW is already past that throttle bodie thing its called Valvetronic you have it on your F10 M5 aswell.
BMW first introduced it back in 2001 on the 316ti compact no need for throttle bodies with this system.
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      05-25-2013, 10:48 AM   #166
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BMW is already past that throttle bodie thing its called Valvetronic you have it on your F10 M5 aswell.
BMW first introduced it back in 2001 on the 316ti compact no need for throttle bodies with this system.
Can valvetronic system handle over 7000rpm? Here is something talk that valvetronic cannot play whit high revving S-engines http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469574
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      05-25-2013, 11:17 AM   #167
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Can valvetronic system handle over 7000rpm? Here is something talk that valvetronic cannot play whit high revving S-engines http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469574
The technology continues to evolve. The S63Tu can rev to 7200 RPM, and they will go higher with S55. They have never had a compelling reason to push above 7000 RPM until recently because M engines used ITB and VANOS. But Valvetronic is key to BMW's turbocharging strategy going forward.
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      05-25-2013, 12:30 PM   #168
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Cover up the tach and let everyone on the forum drive the car and guess what the redline is, would be entertaining to see the range of guesses.
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      05-25-2013, 02:07 PM   #169
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Can valvetronic system handle over 7000rpm? Here is something talk that valvetronic cannot play whit high revving S-engines http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=469574
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The technology continues to evolve. The S63Tu can rev to 7200 RPM, and they will go higher with S55. They have never had a compelling reason to push above 7000 RPM until recently because M engines used ITB and VANOS. But Valvetronic is key to BMW's turbocharging strategy going forward.
That pretty much sums up what i was going to reply.

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      05-26-2013, 03:15 PM   #170
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It does seem a lot similiar to the present M3.
I just expected development to show greater changes.
Still very good but some want more!
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      05-29-2013, 07:38 AM   #171
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It seems that the performance envelope of new sports cars/coupes is just getting more and more impressive. It used to be that fast vehicles were hitting 60 in the low 4's, but it seems everything that is coming out now is sub 4. The new Vette alone has 460 hp and 465 tq with the performance exhaust. Mustangs and Camaro's are getting more potent and I am curious to see how M will approach the new M3/M4. I realize that a motor and its power is just one of the many variables that makes up speed, etc., however, it would seem that you have to get more power just to stay in the game.
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      05-30-2013, 11:12 PM   #172
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Cant wait for it to come out!
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      06-05-2013, 05:18 PM   #173
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Come on BMW! Why the draught of information and/or images? Give us some info on the new M3/M4.
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      06-05-2013, 05:40 PM   #174
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Come on BMW! Why the draught of information and/or images? Give us some info on the new M3/M4.
+1 or at least a firm date for more key specifications like the Frankfurt auto show. A "concept" with engine and steering specs would be awesome to look forward to at Frankfurt.
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Man I feel smart. Drought, not Draught. Either way we need some information to hold us over. Is it 2, 3 or 16 turbos? I know patience is a virtue, but screw that!
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      06-11-2013, 04:28 PM   #176
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actually a good German draught would help right now.
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