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      06-11-2013, 04:38 PM   #177
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That would be perfect right now and I couldn't agree more!
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      06-11-2013, 06:47 PM   #178
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I feel BMW is going for a first with this engine:

Individual throttle bodies in a production turbo i6. That's going to allow for the response (no turbo lag) and high redline.
lol, only beaten by 25 years, try Nissan RB26DETT, 1989, 2.6litre turbo ITB and 8,500rpm red line.
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      06-12-2013, 04:39 AM   #179
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Agree, the S65 is everything good said about it and more. It's truly an epic masterpiece. However it's still just the power plant. Put it in the F10 and it's still a lousy uninspiring drive but put the N55 in the E9X M3 and you still have a pretty awesome car. So much talk about the engine when to me the main concern is the steering. The chassi communication is another but the spy shots and videos indicates a fantastic well sorted chassi with very little body motions. The steering is really the thing. I hope they are testing both a HPS and EPS system and only go with the EPS if it's really good.
Well said. We already know the car is dimensionally BIGGER than the last M3, which was already pushing it in the size department. For the first time in 15 years I'm NOT absolutely sure M will have a great car. The M5/M6 and F30 are consistently seen as big, numb, aloof failures of a once great M division by the automotive press. The same press that has been accused of being on BMW payrolls in the past. BMW's bread and butter; M and 3 series, are losing comparison after comparison lately.

This will be the first M3 generation since the E36 that I won't put a site unseen deposit on. I hope I'm wrong, because a new 911 would stretch my budget, but I think most people end up graduating to Porsche and this may just accelerate that.
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      06-12-2013, 05:05 AM   #180
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I saw a last minute push to snatch up E92 M3s but now I'm seeing new 911s everywhere.

BMW needs to hurry up and reveal the new M cars before every switches over to P cars - it's already happening. They better be good. But BMW is raking the sales right now so who knows.
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      06-12-2013, 05:48 AM   #181
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I saw a last minute push to snatch up E92 M3s but now I'm seeing new 911s everywhere.

BMW needs to hurry up and reveal the new M cars before every switches over to P cars - it's already happening. They better be good. But BMW is raking the sales right now so who knows.
Yeah they're doing well with sales, which is the bottom line for any company, but for how long? BMW is riding a well deserved past wave of great driving cars, but the source of that wave is over.

BMW hasn't produced a great driving car since the development of the limited production 1M, and they may realize that. But if the same crew that put out the current M5 and M6 are still on the payroll books, the M3 will just be a scaled down M6.
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      12-16-2013, 11:25 PM   #182
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So ASAP, are you going to concede the bet:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=156
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=158

Max RPM is 7600 as per the official thread.
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      12-16-2013, 11:27 PM   #183
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So ASAP, are you going to concede the bet:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=156
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=158

Max RPM is 7600 as per the official thread.
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      12-17-2013, 03:07 AM   #184
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      12-17-2013, 03:59 AM   #185
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Time to back it up ASAP
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      12-17-2013, 06:17 AM   #186
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Leukemia research would be a great place to donate the $50.
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      12-17-2013, 01:00 PM   #187
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I regret to report that, after communicating via private message with ASAP, he has chosen not to honor the bet. I will not be disclosing any direct quotes from our correspondence since it was a private conversation. However, I can relate that the general sentiment from him is that this is too debatable to call. This, despite the clear fact that the bet was for 7501+ RPM and the official number is 7600 RPM. Additionally, he is claiming a difference between the notions of "redline" and "rev limiter". This, even those his exact words as found in post 156 included neither of those terms but were instead, "3.0L S55 Motor revving to...".

Now, I will say that I am not surprised by this outcome given conclusions drawn from our past interactions on the forum. However, it does sadden me a bit because I think it sends the wrong message about our community and only serves to reinforce the negative stereotypes that already befall us as BMW owners. What is perhaps most unbelievable about this situation, though, is that the proceeds were modest and were intended for a charity. Throw in the fact that it is the holiday season and you really end up at a loss for words to describe the decision making process at play here.

Which brings me to my point. I thought that perhaps we could reverse this situation and instead come together as a forum and take up a collection that we could then donate together to a worth cause in the forum's name. I am in for $50, naturally. Is there any interest from other members?
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      12-17-2013, 01:15 PM   #188
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Mkoesel, I have a difficult time understanding your point. We argued a very very broad point. The general notion here was 8k rpm would be how high the engine would rev. This was consistently heard and argued by all members, I chose to argue that it would be lower. I set a 7500 rpm and up redline, the redline arrives much sooner than the revlimit. The revlimiter is 7600 rpm, this is where fuel cutoff happens. When I look at the very s55 specs here on this site, peak power is at 7300 rpm and looking at the m3 tach, it is pretty obvious that the redline has to start much sooner if the revlimiter hits at 7600. Simply put, i do not wish to argue this, I just don't think you win this one. If the revlimit is 7600 rpm, redline has to be much sooner, I dont see how anyone could argue that.
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      12-18-2013, 06:15 AM   #189
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I set a 7500 rpm and up redline, the redline arrives much sooner than the revlimit.
Nonsense. It's all there in post 156.

"3.0L S55 Motor revving to 7K, at most 7200 - mark my words"

You said "revving to", which I called you out on, and you then set the terms at 7500 RPM cutoff to which I agreed. There was nothing in the terms about redline or rev limit. It does not get any more clear cut than that.

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Simply put, i do not wish to argue this...
More nonsense. You tried to argue with me over PM and I declined. You are attempting the same thing here. If you genuinely did not want to argue you would concede the bet since you clearly lost according to the original terms.

But I will take care of your responsibilities since you obviously will not.
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      12-18-2013, 06:50 AM   #190
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ASAP...limter is set to 7600 RPM. You lost the bet, it is that simple. Pay the man.
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      12-18-2013, 08:18 AM   #191
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Leukemia research would be a great place to donate the $50.
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      12-18-2013, 08:29 AM   #192
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      12-18-2013, 08:36 AM   #193
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      12-18-2013, 08:44 AM   #194
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Leukemia research would be a great place to donate the $50.
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      12-18-2013, 09:16 AM   #195
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Mkoesel, I have a difficult time understanding your point. We argued a very very broad point. The general notion here was 8k rpm would be how high the engine would rev. This was consistently heard and argued by all members, I chose to argue that it would be lower. I set a 7500 rpm and up redline, the redline arrives much sooner than the revlimit. The revlimiter is 7600 rpm, this is where fuel cutoff happens. When I look at the very s55 specs here on this site, peak power is at 7300 rpm and looking at the m3 tach, it is pretty obvious that the redline has to start much sooner if the revlimiter hits at 7600. Simply put, i do not wish to argue this, I just don't think you win this one. If the revlimit is 7600 rpm, redline has to be much sooner, I dont see how anyone could argue that.
Ah, no, not necessarily the case. At all.
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Mkoesel, I have a difficult time understanding your point. We argued a very very broad point. The general notion here was 8k rpm would be how high the engine would rev. This was consistently heard and argued by all members, I chose to argue that it would be lower. I set a 7500 rpm and up redline, the redline arrives much sooner than the revlimit. The revlimiter is 7600 rpm, this is where fuel cutoff happens. When I look at the very s55 specs here on this site, peak power is at 7300 rpm and looking at the m3 tach, it is pretty obvious that the redline has to start much sooner if the revlimiter hits at 7600. Simply put, i do not wish to argue this, I just don't think you win this one. If the revlimit is 7600 rpm, redline has to be much sooner, I dont see how anyone could argue that.
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      12-18-2013, 10:56 AM   #197
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Mkoesel, I have a difficult time understanding your point. We argued a very very broad point. The general notion here was 8k rpm would be how high the engine would rev. This was consistently heard and argued by all members, I chose to argue that it would be lower. I set a 7500 rpm and up redline, the redline arrives much sooner than the revlimit. The revlimiter is 7600 rpm, this is where fuel cutoff happens. When I look at the very s55 specs here on this site, peak power is at 7300 rpm and looking at the m3 tach, it is pretty obvious that the redline has to start much sooner if the revlimiter hits at 7600. Simply put, i do not wish to argue this, I just don't think you win this one. If the revlimit is 7600 rpm, redline has to be much sooner, I dont see how anyone could argue that.
You're a joke. Seriously.

Mkoesel- way to step up and be the man ASAP is unable to be. Class act.
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      12-18-2013, 11:09 AM   #198
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Done.



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