HRE Wheels
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Forum > F80 M3 / M4 Pricing, Ordering, European Delivery

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-19-2019, 06:10 PM   #1
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Carfax Confusion

Can someone explain this to me...between 09/28/18 and 08/10/2016 it shows the vehicles never being up for sale but shows a title/registration issued. Then offered for sale 11/22/16 then again on 11/25/2016, and again on 12/04/2016 then finally purchased on 1/14. This just doesnt make sense to me...granted I dont fully understand Carfax but if someone could shed some light it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
Attached Images
 
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 06:11 PM   #2
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Trying to figure out if this was 3 actual owners or if its really 2 legit owners and the other is just shuffled between dealers for 3 months.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 06:13 PM   #3
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
3899
Rep
3,721
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Owner 2 purchased in 2016 and Owner 3 purchased in 2017. Thatís the data CarFax has to report.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 06:15 PM   #4
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
3899
Rep
3,721
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintsopoulos View Post
Trying to figure out if this was 3 actual owners or if its really 2 legit owners and the other is just shuffled between dealers for 3 months.
Looks like at least 3 owners. Owner #1 doesnít appear on the screen shot you posted but someone put those miles on it before Owner #2.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 06:18 PM   #5
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
Looks like at least 3 owners. Owner #1 doesnít appear on the screen shot you posted but someone put those miles on it before Owner #2.
Last records mileage for Owner #1 was 9948miles. Then jumps to Owner #2 and shows 15625miles. Seems like theres something missing between there to me.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 06:19 PM   #6
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
Looks like at least 3 owners. Owner #1 doesnít appear on the screen shot you posted but someone put those miles on it before Owner #2.
It also just randomly shows up in Colorado. Never for sale in illinois which seems odd.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 08:21 PM   #7
RickFLM4
Brigadier General
RickFLM4's Avatar
United_States
3899
Rep
3,721
Posts

Drives: M4
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: PB County, FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintsopoulos View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickFLM4 View Post
Looks like at least 3 owners. Owner #1 doesn't appear on the screen shot you posted but someone put those miles on it before Owner #2.
Last records mileage for Owner #1 was 9948miles. Then jumps to Owner #2 and shows 15625miles. Seems like theres something missing between there to me.
Not every service event, accident or other information is reported to CarFax. They only report information that is reported to them. Owner #2 could have purchased from an out of state dealer and none of the owners may have gotten the car serviced in places that report to CarFax.
__________________
Current: 2018 SO/SS F83 ZCP
Gone: 2015 SO/SO F82
Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 09:25 PM   #8
SD ///M4
///Multiple
SD ///M4's Avatar
United_States
1936
Rep
3,380
Posts

Drives: M4 Coupe | M3 | Z4M Roadster
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: San Diego, CA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Owner #1 (unknown purchase date, but probably 2015) had the car serviced on 9/28/15 with 9,948 miles at Patrick BMW in IL. Speculation: this owner then moved to CO and then sold it.

Owner #2 purchased the car in CO and registered it on 8/10/16. He kept it only ~3 months, drove it ~5,677 miles and then sold it to Johnson Auto Plaza on 11/23/16 with 15,625 miles. They drove it ~346 miles, had it serviced on 1/12/17 at Schomp BMW on 1/12/17 with 15,952 miles and then sold it on 1/14/17 with 15,971 miles to

Owner #3

I don't think that Johnson Auto Plaza is considered an owner because they're a dealer.

That's my best guess.

Notice that there's no record of a service at 1200 miles, required for M car warranty, but that doesn't mean it wasn't done.
__________________
His: 2016 M4 Coupe | Sakhir Orange | Black Full Merino Leather | CF Trim | M-DCT | More | ED 5/13/16
Hers: 2018 M3 Sedan | San Marino Blue | Black Full Merino Leather | CF Trim | M-DCT | ZCP | ED 7/18/18
Ours: 2006 Z4 Roadster | Interlagos Blue | Black Extended Nappa Leather | Carbon Leather Trim | Purchased 7/19/12

Appreciate 0
      09-19-2019, 09:39 PM   #9
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

That was my thought that the original owner moved to Colorado...like a creep I'm trying to hunt him down to get in contact to at least find out.

What is odd is that "owner 2" only had it for 3 months. I guess it's possible but it just seems strange.

I did find owner #3 and got in touch. he confirmed he had it for two years, bear drove it, traded it in for an M2C.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2019, 12:22 AM   #10
jpy1980
Captain
145
Rep
639
Posts

Drives: 2015 BMW M3 Mineral White
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (2)

Is this car that worth it to you? There are plenty of used F8x cars out there. If the history is questionable just go look for a cleaner example.
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2019, 02:45 AM   #11
IK6SPEED
Major General
IK6SPEED's Avatar
United_States
3614
Rep
9,160
Posts

Drives: BMW M3 / AH3
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cali

iTrader: (20)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintsopoulos View Post
Can someone explain this to me...between 09/28/18 and 08/10/2016 it shows the vehicles never being up for sale but shows a title/registration issued. Then offered for sale 11/22/16 then again on 11/25/2016, and again on 12/04/2016 then finally purchased on 1/14. This just doesnt make sense to me...granted I dont fully understand Carfax but if someone could shed some light it would be appreciated.

Thanks!
As reported on too many threads on here, Carfax often misses a lot and is often wrong.
__________________
Stable: F80 / AH3
Past: F80 ZCP / F22 M235i / E89 35is
Appreciate 0
      09-20-2019, 09:11 AM   #12
Mintsopoulos
Private
Mintsopoulos's Avatar
United_States
78
Rep
99
Posts

Drives: '15 MW F80 6MT
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Arizona

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jpy1980 View Post
Is this car that worth it to you? There are plenty of used F8x cars out there. If the history is questionable just go look for a cleaner example.
Not quite put off by the actual information just wanted to see if some clarity can be gained. Unfortunately like most said, Carfax usually has misinformation which is unfortunate.
__________________
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:31 PM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST