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      04-20-2015, 08:57 PM   #23
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I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
Heh, I wish it was $5k in parts. You're at least 3 fold off.
8G's?!!! What's it cost with labor?!!!!
No, three fold. As in 3 times.
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Sooner than later, CCB will get cheaper.
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Sooner than later, CCB will get cheaper.
I think this is key. My friend had CCB brakes on his porsche that he tracks a lot and he scrapped them due to cost and limited compatible pad options. Anecdotally people are suggesting the same here. Seems like great technology but not quite in it's prime yet - too costly and still in early generations and not mature.
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I've always wondered- what's the official name of the color they use on the ceramic brakes? My CA didn't even know :
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They really should have painted the CCB calipers green, because that's what you need to buy them!
Well, they are gold....
I see what you did there
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      04-20-2015, 09:37 PM   #28
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I just looked up the part numbers and prices, the cheapest I could find per rotor is $3,500 each. Pads were $750 a set at tischer and that was just fronts, I assume the rears are cheaper by a little bit. There is no question these brakes a very effective but they are not budget friendly. I go to Sema each year and one of the vendors showed me a new formula that has the durability of steel and weight of carbon ceramic. The price was over 20k for a set of rotors so no price break but my guess is as new methods and tech is used these rotors will become much more user friendly for the average person. Till then I won't be ordering my car with them. I rode in a M4 during a track day with race type pads and when the driver hit the brakes they felt plenty effective and did not fade.
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      04-20-2015, 09:38 PM   #29
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I have them and don't regret it at all. Hre makes a set that fit with no spacers required but I like the aggressive look so I kept mine on. Each rotor cost about 2800 whole sale. They last till 160k rear and 106k front. Half that with track time. If you look up brembo gt kit ceramics they are 19,000 for just the fronts.. 8250 is a great price to upgrade.
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The prices for ceramics are overstated... You can buy all 4 including the calipers for $11,300... (getbmwparts.com)

Kit includes front/rear brake pads, rotors, calipers, hardware and required installation components. (servo unit, booster seal).

While it is still expensive, it is a lot less than the $15k that people claim for just rotors.
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Steel rotors with race pads will do just fine.
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I'll guess cheapest option to do pads and rotors YOURSELF.........$5g's all parts?
Heh, I wish it was $5k in parts. You're at least 3 fold off.
8G's?!!! What's it cost with labor?!!!!
No, three fold. As in 3 times.
15 grand?! Wow! You guys who have'em and who can afford'em......hats off to ya!
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I have them and don't regret it at all. Hre makes a set that fit with no spacers required but I like the aggressive look so I kept mine on. Each rotor cost about 2800 whole sale. They last till 160k rear and 106k front. Half that with track time. If you look up brembo gt kit ceramics they are 19,000 for just the fronts.. 8250 is a great price to upgrade.
Beautiful car bud!
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I'm glad I got the standard steel brakes. I've been told that if the CCB rotors get scored, you can not turn them, you'll have to replace them. $$$$
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If you are good enough to blow through the CCB's on track days then you will have a sponsor


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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
I'm scared to do it, I heard 12k wear from one track session? Is that not true? guy replaced them in f80 forums costed him 17k.
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
How limited is it, how many track days have you gotten out of them?
I won't even track them I don't wanna pay 17k for new rotors and pads. I would pay for new steels, but 17k that's nuts. It's so much of risk knowing that ruining one will cost you 4k a rotor. Its not sensible for the amount of performance it offers. Is wish I could say" oh well who cares" but this isn't a supercar 4k for a rotor on an M3 feels dumb and unwarranted.
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15 grand?! Wow! You guys who have'em and who can afford'em......hats off to ya!
2 x $4,461.95 - front rotors
$587.95 - front pads
2 x $3,824.95 - rear rotors
$341.95 - rear pads


Sub Total: $17,503.70

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One big plus would be that the CCB's work well for street and track. The argument that steel brakes are adequate for track is valid, but that also means you have to swap pads, or deal with track pads that squeal like a pig for daily driving.

On the other hand, if you are a hardcore track guy, which very few are with these type of cars, then the CCB will wear out and be very costly. But I think for those that do occasional HPDE's it's the best of both worlds. At least that is what it appears to me, but I don't have any experiencewith them myself.
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
How limited is it, how many track days have you gotten out of them?
I won't even track them I don't wanna pay 17k for new rotors and pads. I would pay for new steels, but 17k that's nuts. It's so much of risk knowing that ruining one will cost you 4k a rotor. Its not sensible for the amount of performance it offers. Is wish I could say" oh well who cares" but this isn't a supercar 4k for a rotor on an M3 feels dumb and unwarranted.
Why don't you just replace the rotor with a steel rotor and use the same caliper? There might not be a BMW option for this yet but I'm sure it's coming. Porsche guys have been doing this for years.
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Here are some interesting pdf's on checking for wear on CCB brakes.
With all the possible defects listed in the PDFs, I could imagine the BMW service advisor blaming the owner for any damage on the rotors (pits, chips etc) and not want to replace under warranty. They could blame a simple wheel change or rocks caused the damage and not a manufacturing defect. I'm sure there are some great service advisors out there but our local service department has as low a rating on most of the websites as possible. The only reason they have 1 star is because people can't leave 0 stars.
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the ability to handle repeated hard stops on the track and no brake dust make all the difference in the world. My Challenge Stradale and F430 both had Carbon Ceramics and they fared really well at the track. After 10+ track days in each car, I only had to change pads 2x. The F430 went through 40,000 miles of hard driving and when I sold it, the inspection showed about 70% rotor wear so unless you are ridiculously fast or hold a F1 super license, you want be wearing through them in the near future.

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I don't understand why folks that do not hardcore track get these brakes in the first place. I'm sure the number of hardcore "dedicated track f8x M's" can be counted on one hand right now so why go with these? The technology is still pretty new for street cars, definitely would not consider it for my next M car
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Don't buy them I regret it on my f80, limits wheels that will fit and track time.
How limited is it, how many track days have you gotten out of them?
I won't even track them I don't wanna pay 17k for new rotors and pads. I would pay for new steels, but 17k that's nuts. It's so much of risk knowing that ruining one will cost you 4k a rotor. Its not sensible for the amount of performance it offers. Is wish I could say" oh well who cares" but this isn't a supercar 4k for a rotor on an M3 feels dumb and unwarranted.
Question is if you would be allowed to change only 1 rotor. Typically, you'd need to replace both, on either side of an axis, to make sure both perform the same... And when you get new rotors, you get new pads (for the same reason). That, at least for me, is the way to properly replace/upgrade brakes...

So a scorched rotor costs you around $8k... That's expensive...
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I don't understand why folks that do not hardcore track get these brakes in the first place. I'm sure the number of hardcore "dedicated track f8x M's" can be counted on one hand right now so why go with these? The technology is still pretty new for street cars, definitely would not consider it for my next M car
Simple bragging rights,they look a lot better IMO then the standard blue calipers. If i ordered a M they would def be included.
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