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      07-06-2019, 05:23 PM   #111
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Beautifully engineered product and kratos customer service is top notch. They make things so easy and are a pleasure to work with. 10/10
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      07-06-2019, 06:04 PM   #112
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Spending a dick load of money on R&D then forking it off onto your customers to recoup your costs may not be the best business move
Yet another ignorant comment.....
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Do you mind clarifying your statement and how it relates to Global Motoring Group and KRATOS Turbos?

As explained time and time again, the pricing information provided in our previous post clearly proves the total effective cost of a stock style hybrid turbo is significantly more than our KRAS55Bi, yet their R&D and production costs are exponentially less as they are not a manufacturer and still use the stock journal bearing CHRA's, stock compressor covers, and stock manifolds. Whereas, the KRAS55Bi's are Patent Pending blank sheet designed and engineered utilizing all the following components.

- KRATOS Dual Ceramic BB CHRA's
- KRATOS Re-Engineered & Re-Designed 316 Stainless Manifolds
- KRATOS Compressor Covers
- KRATOS Ti6Al4V Titanium Bullet Nuts
- KRATOS 3rd Order Geometry Forged Billet & Titanium Compressor Wheels
- KRATOS Proprietary Turbine Wheel
- KRATOS Match Ported Silicone Inlets With Billet Flanges

In the end, final MSRP is based on a variety costs including R&D, Engineering and Designing, Rapid Prototyping, Tooling, Molds, Materials, Production, Packaging, Patenting, etc, and not just R&D as you stated. These costs all factor in to how any manufacturer with the slightest bit of business sense calculates their MSRP. Let's also not forget that there is simply no other turbo system on the market for the S55 platform that's as reliable, durable, and produces remotely close to the same power level or performance as a KRATOS KRAS55Bi at any price point. This is one of the many reasons why our customers and vendors continue to purchase and support our products.
Another kudos from a community member. Many thanks for advancing our platform!! This is a tough crowd (as you know lol). Had I literally not JUST installed my Pure Turbos when you dropped your product...I would have been ALL over it. Your product and engineering seem top notch.

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- KRATOS Ti6Al4V Titanium Bullet Nuts
Its little details like this that tells me I made the right choice.
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Sales@KRATOS I think you need to park the justification as you will just go around in circles as we have seen. All your in depth posts have either elaborated on the technical or the pricing approach and I for one appreciate this. I hate to see this turn into a he said she said argument.

You have a great product, some will say expensive some will say priced well.

At the end of the day if you want Kratos buy them, if not buy something else.
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      07-07-2019, 11:51 AM   #116
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Kratos hands down is providing great information & has the quality to prove their statements.

I myself am running PS2+ & just seen my local shop install Kratos & all I can say is these turbos are no joke!

Definitely plan on switching once I upgrade/semi build motor & clutches.

Keep up the great service
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      07-07-2019, 04:55 PM   #117
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Its hilarious how you know nothing about the product you speak of, nothing of the R&D invested, the materials, the features, and yet you want to criticize the price?

Sounds ignorant.......
Spending a dick load of money on R&D then forking it off onto your customers to recoup your costs may not be the best business move
These guys aren't a charity - they are a business.

Of course they have to recoup R and D costs and then put a little in their pockets. They have people to pay and bills to cover.

Do you honestly believe their only role in life is to spend tons of money on R and D only to sell their final product at cost to make forum members happy?
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Spending a dick load of money on R&D then forking it off onto your customers to recoup your costs may not be the best business move
maybe you should make your own turbo and sell to us.

a dvd disc only like 10 cents? you think all software should sell for 10 cents? damn, using online download doesnt even cost $$. all softwares should be free!
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      07-08-2019, 10:08 AM   #119
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Another kudos from a community member. Many thanks for advancing our platform!! This is a tough crowd (as you know lol). Had I literally not JUST installed my Pure Turbos when you dropped your product...I would have been ALL over it. Your product and engineering seem top notch.

Cheers
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Sales@KRATOS I think you need to park the justification as you will just go around in circles as we have seen. All your in depth posts have either elaborated on the technical or the pricing approach and I for one appreciate this. I hate to see this turn into a he said she said argument.

You have a great product, some will say expensive some will say priced well.

At the end of the day if you want Kratos buy them, if not buy something else.
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These guys aren't a charity - they are a business.

Of course they have to recoup R and D costs and then put a little in their pockets. They have people to pay and bills to cover.

Do you honestly believe their only role in life is to spend tons of money on R and D only to sell their final product at cost to make forum members happy?
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maybe you should make your own turbo and sell to us.

a dvd disc only like 10 cents? you think all software should sell for 10 cents? damn, using online download doesnt even cost $$. all softwares should be free!
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Kratos hands down is providing great information & has the quality to prove their statements.

I myself am running PS2+ & just seen my local shop install Kratos & all I can say is these turbos are no joke!

Definitely plan on switching once I upgrade/semi build motor & clutches.

Keep up the great service
Thank you all for the overwhelmingly positive feedback on our products and customer service! We greatly appreciate the support and are glad that some of you have had hands on experience with the quality of the KRAS55 line of turbos.


We view every "negative" comment as a chance to better explain the merits of the KRAS55. For every "negative" comment, there could be others that may think the same thing and choose not to comment. This gives us an opportunity to directly address the concerns or thoughts that a certain few may be having!
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      07-08-2019, 10:14 AM   #120
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Its little details like this that tells me I made the right choice.
We couldn't agree with you more! Can't wait to see what you make on your set of KRAS55Bi's!
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I mentioned that I appreciated what they are doing for the platform and completely understand what they’ve accomplished

In general, do other companies not invest in R&D?? Everyone places a major investment in R&D to be a step ahead of the next guy....I mentioned Precision Turbo and they are the best in the industry hands down.

Materials? It’s stainless steel buddy which all fabricators/companies build their manifold from. Sure there are cast iron but I’m comparing SS here. Everyone test their product to get the best flow out of them. Every part matters. At the end of the day, they are not paying more for “material” and turbine/exhaust housing than the next guy (from a business standpoint...they shouldn't be at least). So when you make a comparison on parts cost regardless of their R&D, there is just no comparison where this markup is coming from. Oh yea!!! R&D!!


I am extremely interested in the turbos, but 6k for a couple of turbos and manifolds no matter who they currently support doesn’t fit the bill. Matter of fact I saw your turbos on the classifieds and caught my attention.

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Its hilarious how you know nothing about the product you speak of, nothing of the R&D invested, the materials, the features, and yet you want to criticize the price?

Sounds ignorant.......
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I mentioned that I appreciated what they are doing for the platform and completely understand what they’ve accomplished

In general, do other companies not invest in R&D?? Everyone places a major investment in R&D to be a step ahead of the next guy....I mentioned Precision Turbo and they are the best in the industry hands down.

Materials? It’s stainless steel buddy which all fabricators/companies build their manifold from. Sure there are cast iron but I’m comparing SS here. Everyone test their product to get the best flow out of them. Every part matters. At the end of the day, they are not paying more for “material” and turbine/exhaust housing than the next guy (from a business standpoint...they shouldn't be at least). So when you make a comparison on parts cost regardless of their R&D, there is just no comparison where this markup is coming from. Oh yea!!! R&D!!


I am extremely interested in the turbos, but 6k for a couple of turbos and manifolds no matter who they currently support doesn’t fit the bill. Matter of fact I saw your turbos on the classifieds and caught my attention.
They're stainless investment cast turbofolds. It's not some piping welded up on a jig man. You might want to go back and re-read the info they have given about these. Seems like you need a refresher.
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I mentioned that I appreciated what they are doing for the platform and completely understand what they’ve accomplished

In general, do other companies not invest in R&D?? Everyone places a major investment in R&D to be a step ahead of the next guy....I mentioned Precision Turbo and they are the best in the industry hands down.

Materials? It’s stainless steel buddy which all fabricators/companies build their manifold from. Sure there are cast iron but I’m comparing SS here. Everyone test their product to get the best flow out of them. Every part matters. At the end of the day, they are not paying more for “material” and turbine/exhaust housing than the next guy (from a business standpoint...they shouldn't be at least). So when you make a comparison on parts cost regardless of their R&D, there is just no comparison where this markup is coming from. Oh yea!!! R&D!!


I am extremely interested in the turbos, but 6k for a couple of turbos and manifolds no matter who they currently support doesn’t fit the bill. Matter of fact I saw your turbos on the classifieds and caught my attention.
in this case, all other turbos can also do 1k hp because they are the same.

i am actually deal a lot of customers complaint about the product i sell is 20%-30% more expensive than other companies. i always tell them that buy from others and compare with mine. material is the same does not mean the item/end product is the same. sometime it will take a year to tell why my product is better but they just don't know and keep asking for "price match". i just tell employees to reply sorry we are not offer discount at this time.

back to the topic, if you think the price too high, maybe you should look somewhere else. there are other turbos also do pretty well and price tag around 3k. it is not like they buy all the turbo and make a 3k make up.
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there is simply no other direct competition or comparison providing all the features and power output the KRAS55Bi has to offer.

Say it with me. Rhymes with monopoly.
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Kratos Turbos now available at Extreme Power House
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Welcome Aboard!
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Say it with me. Rhymes with monopoly.
Lol that's not how a monopoly works
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Lol that's not how a monopoly works
Thanks for playing. No shit.
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