How will the F8x M3/M4 be remembered?

[G4BR13L]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Nope. It was the 1-series M coupe released in 2011 that is the the first turbocharged M car. One could also argue the the 2002 Turbo is it.

The 2002 Turbo was developed by BMW Motorsport which was later renamed to BMW M. Although it was not labeled an M car it was the first.

[visi107]

Originally Posted by allinon72

Stages of M cars:

1. New, expensive, loved/hated by journalists/owners
2. Somewhat affordable, 4-5 years old, used supply plentiful, a handful of negative nitpicks invade forums/enthusiasts that give the false impression that the car is bad
3. 10 years old, value starts to go up, car is beloved as a classic

Just enjoy the car and don't get caught up in the BS.

^^^ Perfectly said, I think this thread might as well be closed now.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Nope. It was the 1-series M coupe released in 2011 that is the the first turbocharged M car. One could also argue the the 2002 Turbo is it.

Yes, you're right and knew of the 1M but..

If you want to talk motor semantics; the F10 M5 was the first M car with a turbo-charged "M Motor" built from scratch, since the E82 & E92 already had the same exact standard, whored-out, [B]N[B]54 as the 1M.

I was merely correcting the gentleman who claim that M4 was the first M car with a turbo-charged M motor..

Didn't mean to go this far down the rabbit hold..

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yes, you're right and knew of the 1M but..

If you want to talk motor semantics; the F10 M5 was the first M car with a turbo-charged "M Motor" built from scratch, since the E82 & E92 already had the same exact standard, whored-out, [B]N[B]54 as the 1M.

I was merely correcting the gentleman who claim that M4 was the first M car with a turbo-charged M motor..

Didn't mean to go this far down the rabbit hold..

As with everything in life, nothing is "clear cut"

Some could even argue that this is the first and greatest turbo ///M engine ever:

[G4BR13L]

The good old 1.5 liter I4. BMW did not know exactly how much power this engine was producing because of the limits of the dyno

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Poochie

So you ran Carfax on all of them, huh?

Sorry I hurt all you M4 owners feelings. I'm sure it will go down in history as the greatest sounding M car, which will only appreciate in value!

In fact, I heard that even Jesus drives a F82 with a Akrapovic exhaust

Happy now?

Jesus sure as hell doesn't drive anything with an N55 in it...

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Jesus sure as hell doesn't drive anything with an N55 in it...

Ohhhh.. Burn...

Jesus might be able to turn water into wine but I bet he still can't make the S55 sound decent..

[Powerslide]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Ohhhh.. Burn...

Jesus might be able to turn water into wine but I bet he still can't make the S55 sound decent..

Hey - if I can afford the MPE then I'm sure Jesus can too!

All trash-talking aside - the ONLY criticism I've ever heard as to the S55 is sound - and ZCP and MPE easily take care of that. To otherwise compare the N55 to the S55 is utter delusion (and we all know that you know that too).

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Powerslide

Hey - if I can afford the MPE then I'm sure Jesus can too!

All trash-talking aside - the ONLY criticism I've ever heard as to the S55 is sound - and ZCP and MPE easily take care of that. To otherwise compare the N55 to the S55 is utter delusion (and we all know that you know that too).

I would never compare the N55 to the S55, the power potential are miles ahead for the S55, as the N55 runs out of steam, at high speeds/RPM..

Also, you guys are taking my comment too personal, I love the look of M4, it's the best looking vehicle BMW currently produces, it can be had with every single option available and has a much better quality ride than an M2, due to its larger wheel base and availability of adaptive suspension.

If it wasn't for its larger dimensions (I have a small driveway), it would be on my shortlist of vehicles, regardless of how it sounds.

My criticism was related to its unreasonable deprecation which is not exclusive to just the M4 but all modern mass-produced BMWs.

#NoBeef

[BigSky702]

It'll be remembered as my one true love... lease ends next month!

[shay2nak]

Originally Posted by BigSky702

It'll be remembered as my one true love... lease ends next month!

Time to replace with a CS. Crazy prices for those now.

[M370z]

It will be remembered as the last M3 without a grill that's the size of a large dog.

[SherM4n]

Originally Posted by M370z

It will be remembered as the last M3 without a grill that's the size of a large dog.

[Racer20]

I think the sound issue is way overblown on here because it's "not cool" to say it sounds ok.

Everybody who I've given a ride to has said something between "it sounds a lot better better than people on the forums say" to "I love the way it sounds!"

It's not a Ferrari V8, but it's aggressive and matches the engines character. M cars have always had a unique "acquired taste" sound, and on that note, add me to the list that thinks it sounds better than the S54 in my M coupe. That went from dead sounding to broken raspiness with about a 30rpm band of nice sounding intake resonance if you got the throttle and gearing just right.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by Racer20

I think the sound issue is way overblown on here because it's "not cool" to say it sounds ok.

Everybody who I've given a ride to has said something between "it sounds a lot better better than people on the forums say" to "I love the way it sounds!"

It's not a Ferrari V8, but it's aggressive and matches the engines character. M cars have always had a unique "acquired taste" sound, and in that note, add me to the list that thinks it sounds better than the S54 in my M coupe. That went from dead sounding to broken raspiness with about a 30rpm of nice sounding intake resonance if you got the throttle and gearing just right.

Funny you say that. When I got mine, I took my friends for a ride, and I would almost apologize/warn them that it doesn't sound all that great. Then after the drive they told me it sounds great an didn't know why I was warning them.

The rasp is definitely there on the stock exhaust system, but I gotta say, unplugging active sound and valves always open sounds pretty damn good from inside the car. I don't really hear the rasp from inside unless I'm flooring it alongside a concrete divider on a highway or something.

Maybe it's just the Youtube videos blowing everything out of proportion, because they really do sound like garbage online. Especially DCT with TC enabled. Yuck. Farts all day long. It's actually why I got a manual haha.

[THEROK]

Most people in this world are dumb and ignorant. If neither of these, then they're probably naive and unlearned.

/grasshopper

Quoting BMW literature, the M team deliberately engineered the F8X to sound "dynamic" & "distinctive". I think we can at least come to an agreement on this as there's no question we owners can recognize our cars brapping down the road from a mile away.

I'd rather this to the whored out V8 AMG with its breathless, cantankerous muscle car rasp where you cannot discern whether it's your mom's GL, her hairdresser's SL, your balding agent's GT, or the plasticized OC housewife's watered-down IFS G-wagen.

I freakin' love the S55 (my first turbo car).

[EricSMG]

Originally Posted by ntgarage44

Maybe it's just the Youtube videos blowing everything out of proportion, because they really do sound like garbage online. Especially DCT with TC enabled. Yuck. Farts all day long. It's actually why I got a manual haha.

Precisely what it is.

People simply don't realize that cars sound WAY WAY different inside the car than outside.

Plus, with a ZCP exhaust or better, they actually sound decent outside the car (my wife drives the car often and I hear it from afar) and really quite good inside.

The focus surrounding how these cars sounds to me is almost embarrassing. The sheer energy expended on this topic astounds me. I mean, really? This is what we enthusiasts are that obsessed with? What about actual driving? Power? Precision? Balance? Looks? Badass-ness?

Sheesh... let's move on to more interesting things (not you^^.... just in general).

/rant

Originally Posted by THEROK

Most people in this world are dumb and ignorant. If neither of these, then they're probably naive and unlearned.

/grasshopper

Quoting BMW literature, the M team deliberately engineered the F8X to sound "dynamic" & "distinctive". I think we can at least come to an agreement on this as there's no question we owners can recognize our cars brapping down the road from a mile away.

I'd rather this to the whored out V8 AMG with its breathless, cantankerous muscle car rasp where you cannot discern whether it's your mom's GL, her hairdresser's SL, your balding agent's GT, or the plasticized OC housewife's watered-down IFS G-wagen.

I freakin' love the S55 (my first turbo car).

Haha, totally.

Dare I say, even 'Vettes and Camaros really don't sound precise or particularly good. They are just deep, loud, obtuse sounding cars.... but "OMG V8 so automatically sounds so good"... yeah right.

Agreed.... first turbo car.... S55 is off the hook good.

[ntg44]

Originally Posted by EricSMG

Precisely what it is.

People simply don't realize that cars sound WAY WAY different inside the car than outside.

Plus, with a ZCP exhaust or better, they actually sound decent outside the car (my wife drives the car often and I hear it from afar) and really quite good inside.

The focus surrounding how these cars sounds to me is almost embarrassing. The sheer energy expended on this topic astounds me. I mean, really? This is what we enthusiasts are that obsessed with?

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think it has mostly to do with the car being 70k+, with some crazier builds getting up to 100k or more, that this is something that should have been unanimously liked for that kind of money. Previous v8 aside, put a 340 next to the M3 and it’s not even close. I don’t think anyone would be complaining if it sounded as nuts as the B58 or a modded N55.

With that said, I just replaced the secondary cats with magnaflow resonators, and I take back anything I’ve ever said about the exhaust sounding bad. The swap kept the stock tone and volume, got rid of any rasp under full throttle, and even added a tiny bit of bass to the exhaust note. Still no B58, but absolutely worthy for something with an M badge on it.

[///M///]

All this talk about sound. Has everyone forgotten the E46 M3 with all that rasp?Sounded like crap as well. The problem was the V8 M3 which set the bar on sound really high.

[hellokitty]

Call me crazy but I prefer the sound of my S55 over my N54.

[5218201a]

It looks amazingly good! One of the best looking M3! What else do we have to say?

[gasnet]

Best M3 ever. Should have topped the Corvette however, just fell short. New Z4 does 3.9 0-60 pretty impressive for non M