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      01-29-2020, 01:13 AM   #815
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I just learned these specs.

4000 pounds and 225/245 or even 225 square tires?

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      01-29-2020, 03:21 AM   #816
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At the beginning of this thread I made a comment as to the 330's potential as the new M-lite car. I've seen a couple people make jokes on it and some people think about it and sort of agree.

I had an M2 and then I "downgraded" to a G20. I know both cars pretty well. I can feel the 330's bushings in the rear sub frame, I can feel that the suspension is sorted out more than the Fxx gen, the steering is much improved, lacking feel maybe a bit but I can feel the road through the steering wheel and that matters.

The car is bit more heavy than the M2, but these cars are not "track weapons", dont kid yourself. They are very capable commuter cars period. You want it to be a track weapon? You will most definitely need to spend some money to get it there.

On the road I am constantly and pleasantly surprised at how well the 330i handles the road. It sticks just as good as the M2 on FUN drives. It rotates on command, and while down on power I feel satisfaction in mashing the pedal and accelerating briskly to a semi legal speed. Its not as visceral as the M2, not as aggressive. You don't hear all the road noise or exhaust noise, which is s shame but a blessing at the same time. This is my daily and my road-trip car, having all that noise gets old after driving for a while.

As I write this I find that I miss the direct feeling of the M2, the sound of diff working in the back at low speeds, working the manual transmission and getting perfect shifts. But at the same time I dont miss the shitty interior that creaks if you look at it wrong. I dont miss the fake leather seats that seem like an after thought (if it were a true race car I would have loved some cloth seats). I value my money and for me the value of the M2 was in its marketing as "the back to form M car of days past". But they tried to make an M for today with Ideas of yesterday and the result was compromises everywhere. I love the idea of the M2, but on the flesh it was disappointing. It sort of good, but not great.

Maybe when they release the G87 we'll see what the new architecture brings. Maybe they'll improve all the faults of the car. Or maybe they'll give it a buck tooth grille, some ugly wheels and more power for all the badge snob posers here, so they can brag about their 0-100.

Just my 2 cents, let me know what you think.
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      01-29-2020, 03:52 AM   #817
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To me...“M sport models” are just like ZHP package on old E46 330i and CI models.

And then there’s a real M cars
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To me...“M sport models” are just like ZHP package on old E46 330i and CI models.

And then there’s a real M cars

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you drive an M car or M-lite, what matters is how you drive what you have. Seen many guys with M3/M4 that don't even know how to use the paddles on DCT or how to set up the M1/M2 buttons in the steering wheel, lol...
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      01-29-2020, 03:41 PM   #820
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I'm neutral in this debate but you can't blame BMW for putting an M badge everywhere, it's what the people want..

Because one M is never enough:
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I'm neutral in this debate but you can't blame BMW for putting an M badge everywhere, it's what the people want..

Because one M is never enough:
Probably owned by the dude at Microsoft responsible for coming up with the names for new Xbox systems.
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I'm neutral in this debate but you can't blame BMW for putting an M badge everywhere, it's what the people want..

Because one M is never enough:
Probably owned by the dude at Microsoft responsible for coming up with the names for new Xbox systems.


You mean the "Xbox Series X", incase you forget what console you bought..
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A very special

"M" car.
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"M" car.
Saw this one at my house a while ago. Think it's a real M car or just an M-performance?


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Of course this is the main reason why BMW is doing it. To satisfy these guys.
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...but these cars are not "track weapons", dont kid yourself.

Just my 2 cents, let me know what you think.
Man I miss the days when ANY BMW you can get your hands on is a capable track weapon, with a simple set of track oriented pads and some high temp brake fluids you can slay all but the mightiest from all other manufacturers on track while getting your latte from Starbucks in comfort in the morning.

In fact, I ran down a contemporary Porsche 911 Turbo S in my puny Z4 3.0i at a local, very technical track and earned a very begrudging point-by, and the same night took the missus out for dinner at a steak house. Didn’t have to compromise a nice commuter for a “track weapon” that lets me have fun destroying rubber.

In fact, my first BMW I took to the track was a bottom of the barrel E46 323Ci. 173 HP on a good day. And when I’m ON IT, there’s nothing short of Stuttgart and Munich’s best that I can’t catch on track. Didn’t used to NEED M cars just to have a competent BMW for track use...Although the wizardry put into the cars by the ///M division takes it to another level.

Now? The BEST BMW has to offer could BARELY keep up with run of the mill Toyotas, and even Ford and GM has left BMW in the dust when it comes to track performance. An area where even most non-M BMWs used to dominate, now we can’t even “take them in the twisters,” much less win at the 1/4 mile.

This is the state that BMW is in. And it’s reflected in the attitude of the general public that buys them. For what it’s worth, I used to be fine with the idea that “BMW needs to make money to keep bringing us these wonderful enthusiast oriented, special sauce M cars.”

I see now that’s just a fallacy. In reality, the dilution of the ///M brand has left BMW in a place where even the ///Ms are but a shadow of their industry leading self, that performance vehicles from Asian and domestic brands have long left BMW and its ///M divisions in the shadows.

There’s a reason the last performance car I bought was Chevrolet instead of a BMW, despite being a life long BMW “fanboy.”
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If your VIN doesn't start with WBS then it's not manufactured by "BMW M GmbH" and is not a full-fledged M car.
My x3m vin number does not start with WBS.
I GOT RIPPED OFF!!!
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      01-30-2020, 10:40 PM   #828
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My x3m vin number does not start with WBS.
I GOT RIPPED OFF!!!
Really, are they WBA chassis?
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Really, are they WBA chassis?
Vins start with 5YMTS.... still say bmw m gmbh on door though
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Really, are they WBA chassis?
Vins start with 5YMTS.... still say bmw m gmbh on door though
First letter determines where it's built not who built it, No?
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Man I miss the days when ANY BMW you can get your hands on is a capable track weapon, with a simple set of track oriented pads and some high temp brake fluids you can slay all but the mightiest from all other manufacturers on track while getting your latte from Starbucks in comfort in the morning.

In fact, I ran down a contemporary Porsche 911 Turbo S in my puny Z4 3.0i at a local, very technical track and earned a very begrudging point-by, and the same night took the missus out for dinner at a steak house. Didn’t have to compromise a nice commuter for a “track weapon” that lets me have fun destroying rubber.

In fact, my first BMW I took to the track was a bottom of the barrel E46 323Ci. 173 HP on a good day. And when I’m ON IT, there’s nothing short of Stuttgart and Munich’s best that I can’t catch on track. Didn’t used to NEED M cars just to have a competent BMW for track use...Although the wizardry put into the cars by the ///M division takes it to another level.

Now? The BEST BMW has to offer could BARELY keep up with run of the mill Toyotas, and even Ford and GM has left BMW in the dust when it comes to track performance. An area where even most non-M BMWs used to dominate, now we can’t even “take them in the twisters,” much less win at the 1/4 mile.

This is the state that BMW is in. And it’s reflected in the attitude of the general public that buys them. For what it’s worth, I used to be fine with the idea that “BMW needs to make money to keep bringing us these wonderful enthusiast oriented, special sauce M cars.”

I see now that’s just a fallacy. In reality, the dilution of the ///M brand has left BMW in a place where even the ///Ms are but a shadow of their industry leading self, that performance vehicles from Asian and domestic brands have long left BMW and its ///M divisions in the shadows.

There’s a reason the last performance car I bought was Chevrolet instead of a BMW, despite being a life long BMW “fanboy.”

Wait what. You are saying a new M2 or M4 is barely a track car?
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Wait what. You are saying a new M2 or M4 is barely a track car?
Compare to offerings from other plebeian brands?

YES.
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Compare to offerings from other plebeian brands?

YES.
Tell me of other all in one cars that are much much better than a M2 or M4, especially on the track.

A vette is not a all in one car.
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Tell me of other all in one cars that are much much better than a M2 or M4, especially on the track.

A vette is not a all in one car.
Chevrolet Camaro (not even the ZL1 1LE. Just the regular SS 1LE)
Ford Mustang GT350/350R/500
Toyota Supra

Just to name 3 off the top of my head. Other cars that have bested the M2 Competition and can and will go head to head against the M4:

Tesla Model 3 Performance
Most of the Porsche 911 line-up
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