World Premiere: BMW M4 Coupe Concept

[FogCityM3]

or move on....to another brand.

Originally Posted by alexey21

People. get over the " No more special engine from ///"... the only special engines were the S85 and S65. THATS IT! All the other special engines were regular BMW engines from like a 330 made into monsters. Just like the Current M5 and M3/4. GET OVER IT!

[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by ///Mangler

Did everyone read the article correctly? There are going to be variants in line with what the 911 does.
The M4 is the carerra.
Then there is the carerra s
Gt3
Gt3rs
Gt2
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Sorry, which article? Not in text on p1 of thread. Pls re-post URL.

[///Mangler]

Sorry not in the article. Scott's comments he talks about variants that will be In line with what Porsche does with the 911.

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[Kayani_1]

Well well have to see then who end up giving better gas mileage. The lighter more powerful V8 NA Stingary with cylinder deactivation or the less powerful inline-6 with valvetronic and stop/start.

My money is on stingray though I would love for M4 to be better.

Originally Posted by bimmerjph

Valvetronic is BMW's response to cylinder deactivation, not stop/start.

[JohnC28]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

You must be patient...Making snap judgements at this point is premature.

For those assuming a twin/triple turbo I6, am I the only one who saw this little blurb yesterday? Unless I'm reading it wrong, there may be a reason the hood stayed closed...

[aussiem3]

Originally Posted by MissionImpossible

How much lighter though? Be happy if they can reduce the weight by 50-60 lbs maybe and once you start adding this option and that option that will just go away. Don't expect carbon fiber weight reduction that will be light years ahead of the old one.

I really think there will be disappointment when the numbers come out, if you consider the improvement from E46 to E9X and put a number on that say 100X, this will most likely be 10X. They know this and this is why they spent a lot of time and money on the looks of the car. Previous versions of M3 (which is why a lot of people preferred them over AMGs or Japanese cars) were a lot more reserved and elegant. This one looks more appropriate for the 18-25 year olds. I'm 35 and I don't see anyone in my age group who are married with kids to prefer this over the E90. It just looks too "much".

Looks very busy especially with the vents for the air curtains. Side on, an elegant stance.

[ufgtrs2007]

Originally Posted by JohnC28

For those assuming a twin/triple turbo I6, am I the only one who saw this little blurb yesterday? Unless I'm reading it wrong, there may be a reason the hood stayed closed...

I agree, prepare to be shocked everybody. There is something very special underneath that hood, and yes, I own the current M3.

[FogCityM3]

Yes, took it to mean don't pass judgment until you know the performance, but I'm no Scott26 "Fedwatcher" hanging on every word. The engine pics, engine/exhaust sound, exhaust pics, rumors/leaks all seen so far are part of a giant masquerade? would be impressed if it were!

Originally Posted by JohnC28

For those assuming a twin/triple turbo I6, am I the only one who saw this little blurb yesterday? Unless I'm reading it wrong, there may be a reason the hood stayed closed...

[///MDriver]

Loving the new M4, needs wider fenders
I'm still going after e92 M3 for now...
couple ps

[Nebraska330xi]

Originally Posted by Longwong

Does anyone actually thinks this looks better than an m3 e92? I think the e92 m3 looks not only better but a more classic design. And no I am not one who always hates the new edition as when the e92 came out I had loved the e46 but I adored the e92 immediately. This is just a loss in my view. Performance will be amazing I am sure but for me so much of it is loving the look of the car I am in and man I know already I would never buy this. GT3 for me

Yes.

[BC87]

Everyone who keeps complaining that the new Ms aren't real M cars. You don't have to buy one. Stop complaining and go buy a different car. It's that simple.

[Maz335i]

Originally Posted by BC87

Everyone who keeps complaining that the new Ms aren't real M cars. You don't have to buy one. Stop complaining and go buy a different car. It's that simple.

^ 1

It really is very simple...

Anyway I can't wait for the tech specs to come out...what type of engine are we gonna see...

HURRY UP ALREADY PLZ!

[1cleanm6]

I don't think the yellow works well with this car.. The blues greys whites and blacks look amazing though! Ok BMW you got us liking the exterior, hopefully specs are to match.

[Giles]

I had the E46 M3 and then the E92 335i followed by the E93 M3 which is my current drive (by the way you can't compare an M3 to a 335 - it's in a different league!).

Bottom line is that the M cars are the best all-rounders on the market by far. I currently have 3 cars in one. Can drop the kids at school, cruise with the roof down when it suits me, but by hitting the M button I can take on most Porsche as well - I even matched a Ferrari California the other day.

Love the looks of the new M4 - but like many on here I am also a bit worried about how the new turbo in-line 6 measures up against the V8, but will reserve judgement until its out and I am sure it will once again keep this car well ahead of Audi and Merc.

Find all the haters who say they are going to move onto the 911 hilarious. It's a totally different car! 911 design has hardly changed since the original Beetle in the 50s, and now it's owned by VW again. Sure the engines and handling are impressive but the designers are the laziest on the planet and it is basically a two-seater. If I wanted to buy a two seater sports car it would not be an M4 or a Porsche, there are so many more exciting and sexy cars on the market. But if you want a practical 4-seat Coupe that will match almost anything on the road, it's tough to beat this new M4.

If you don't like this car, then go buy a 911, but then please don't pretend that you know anything about design and style because if you did you should be looking at an Aston or an F-series.

Every car is ultimately a compromise, but I would choose this new M4 over a 911 for 364 days out of every year! Well done to BMW I think you have another winner.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

I love this. For the guys with the '12-'13 E92's...now you know, deep in your souls, that patience is a virtue. Now you have to wait 2-3 years until your lease is up, or if you made the mistake of buying it when you KNEW there was a new M coming and that resale on your "classic" M3 would plummet, you can nitpick the hell out of this car, but you know you're experiencing shrinkage.

So be introspective. You'll get one in a couple-3 years, and in 2020, you can tear apart the new design for betraying the legendary F82.

I posted a poll to try to capture some of the negativity (mine included!). However, those complaining don't seem to want to vote...

Personally I own on 08 E92 M3 but really that has little to do with not liking the car much thus far. I don't really think it is like you describe above either. What really matters is power to weight and we don't know that yet nor even either component of it. That may give us a very nice surprise and would for sure turn much of the negativity toward the positive direction. However, thus far, just the busy design and a very likely a turbo I6 are plenty enough not to like at this point.

Many long term ///M fans are sort of holding our breath and I think many of us really want to like the car.

[pbw]

Originally Posted by swamp2

I posted a poll to try to capture some of the negativity (mine included!). However, those complaining don't seem to want to vote...

Personally I own on 08 E92 M3 but really that has little to do with not liking the car much thus far. I don't really think it is like you describe above either. What really matters is power to weight and we don't know that yet nor even either component of it. That may give us a very nice surprise and would for sure turn much of the negativity toward the positive direction. However, thus far, just the busy design and a very likely a turbo I6 are plenty enough not to like at this point.

Many long term ///M fans are sort of holding our breath and I think many of us really want to like the car.

Nice poll!

[Romo]

Overall the car looks good, few points;

1 I`m a little concerned for it`s size, it`s bigger/stretched than the E92 M3, which was already big. With an even bigger wheelbase it will probably lack agility IMHO. The 20" do hide this a little, but on 19" you`ll notice immediately how big this car really is.
I had the pleasure to own an E46 M3, an E92 M3 and now an E82 1M, ( for realy revving I`ll take my HP4 ) from all these cars the 1M makes me smile the most, it`s fast, it`s agile, it`s driving fun all over.....the smaller size makes it more aggressive and sportier IMO.

2 The bending of the front hood line, yes it`s all about pedestrian safety rules and so on, but it really gives a very wrong side fiew of the car.
The (side)shape of the headlight makes the bending even stronger, nose diving at once.

Now it is very hard to judge the car on these pics, have to see it IRL to make a final judgement here, in case I do not like it I`ll wait for the upcoming M2.
Porsche Cayman S could be an alternative also, time will tell.

[Boss330]

Design is subjective, and what some like, others don't. Simple as that. We can't convince or argue someone into liking a design...

Weight is gonna be interesting! BMW has mentioned the E46 as a target and light weight components. I believe that for instance the rear subframe is not production spec on the concept... If so they should get a new welder... I expect some lightweight components.

My hope is that it will be a return to a nimble car, and not a heavy muscle car like the E9x... To me, that would be back to the roots! And set it apart from the AMG etc.

[KSERGEI-BY]

Originally Posted by burrito007

not sherrif serious.


S54 was definitely not a 330 engine made over... in any way. may have been loosely based on an M52 or M54 or M50 or something but thats very loosely based.

current engine will hopefully have the same kinds of modifications and will be able to stand on its own.


As long as its not just an N54 or N55 with bolt-ons and a tune.

It probably is in more ways then ever before. See, s52/54 has only common thing with the line of m50 engines- it has block casted of iron. The rest is unique, designed and build for perfomance.

[GOLFFRR]

David and I are on our way to Pebble now to see this beast in person. Ill def make sure to jot down my thoughts on the car.

[FogCityM3]

Advice should maybe be "don't be introspective" to the point that your biases of your own decision making are applied to those who own the vehicle for reasons completely different from what you think. Actually I know so many 2011-2013 M3 owners bought the cars then not because of impatience, but because they knew what was coming around the corner (larger cars and FI turbocharged engines) and intend on keeping their E9x Ms for a very long time. Also, is a bias that leasing a car becomes a huge part of into the calculus (while many cars are leased, many are not). Finally, you have to look at the existing natural progression of vehicle purchases (a high % of porsche drivers come from M3s), which is likely to continue, probably accelerate as they offer the last somewhat affordable german sports-cars that are N/A.

Originally Posted by Never Convicted

I love this. For the guys with the '12-'13 E92's...now you know, deep in your souls, that patience is a virtue. Now you have to wait 2-3 years until your lease is up, or if you made the mistake of buying it when you KNEW there was a new M coming and that resale on your "classic" M3 would plummet, you can nitpick the hell out of this car, but you know you're experiencing shrinkage.

So be introspective. You'll get one in a couple-3 years, and in 2020, you can tear apart the new design for betraying the legendary F82.

[XtoM]

Originally Posted by GOLFFRR

David and I are on our way to Pebble now to see this beast in person. Ill def make sure to jot down my thoughts on the car.

Get some good photos