Don't buy this M3 Competition!!!

horsepower_and_hounds · 09-15-2020, 08:18 AM

My INS gave me the option to fix or total my 2015 M4 when the initial cost came back at 28k with the possibility of another 7k later of unknowns. I tote the total loss and it was sold at auction to a local guy that probably rebuilt it and sold it. I knew where it went due to the fact my BMW connected was not turned off till it was retitled so I was able to find the car untill then

essjon · 11-08-2022, 12:43 AM

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m3/2016/...29/?radius=200

TractionControlDelete · 11-08-2022, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by essjon

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...9/2016-bmw-m3/

Pulled out the ouija board I see. Well done. Great to know that "AutoCheck" is complete shit.

heitzke · 11-08-2022, 05:34 AM

Glad to see this thread exist in general, I got burned on a GT500 7-8yrs ago that had been repaired and flipped at auction prior to any accident making it onto a CarFax.

A critical thing here is that all US states have different laws on what constitutes a totaled/salvage vehicle with varying degrees of % damage. Some states are 100% value states before a vehicle could pick up a branded title.

There's also a varying length of time in which it takes accidents of any scope to be reported appropriately and make it into reporting. The accident my GT500 was in ended up never showing up and the vehicle came from AR which was a 100% value damage state. The car I purchased had been rear-ended and spun off the road and picked up almost 30k in damage.

The market value of the GT500's at the time was in the 30's anyway so it still had a clean title due to the state it was from, and the vehicle was fixed/sold in the window between the accident and for accident reporting to actually show.

All that to say, be careful with ALL used cars regardless of where they're being sold. Everyone is using the same flawed data and procedures so trust your gut.

F80RN · 11-08-2022, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AJS1000RR

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Originally Posted by Brasko

They should revoke her driver's license permanently. She should not be on the roadway.

I cannot wait until fully autonomous cars arrive. A lot of these idiots should not have the privilege to drive on public roads, and they honestly don't have any interest in driving (it's an inconvenience for them).

In OC, CA, here's the idiot car list to watch out for:

- Toyota Prius

PRIUS owners are the worst.

And right now, I can't help but have a special hatred for them because not only are they stereotypically bad, but a wrong way driver in a Prius killed my niece.

MathewM4 · 11-08-2022, 09:37 AM

A good friend of mine (former car dealer) explained the car auction system to me a few years back. The short version of the story was "100% of the cars with issues ends up at the auction. However, not all cars at the auction have issues".

Bottom line, a car that has been going back and forth to the auction with multiple owners might not be the best option.

jmg · 11-08-2022, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by essjon

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...9/2016-bmw-m3/

That stance would be a red flag regardless. Never buy a used car from someone who does this.

DaiLyCS · 11-08-2022, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jmg

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Originally Posted by essjon

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...9/2016-bmw-m3/

That stance would be a red flag regardless. Never buy a used car from someone who does this.

Are those call stances? And what's for?

440i6MT · 11-08-2022, 02:34 PM

On the topic of "damaged" cars, who here would've gone for this M3cs?

https://www.copart.com/lot/62958482/...ta-gorda-south

TractionControlDelete · 11-08-2022, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by F80RN

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJS1000RR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brasko

They should revoke her driver's license permanently. She should not be on the roadway.

I cannot wait until fully autonomous cars arrive. A lot of these idiots should not have the privilege to drive on public roads, and they honestly don't have any interest in driving (it's an inconvenience for them).

In OC, CA, here's the idiot car list to watch out for:

- Toyota Prius

PRIUS owners are the worst.

And right now, I can't help but have a special hatred for them because not only are they stereotypically bad, but a wrong way driver in a Prius killed my niece.

My god. Sorry to hear that. I hope he got caught and is in prison.

TractionControlDelete · 11-08-2022, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 440i6MT

On the topic of "damaged" cars, who here would've gone for this M3cs?

https://www.copart.com/lot/62958482/...ta-gorda-south

It's just so hard to gauge what an auction will bring you. Check out this whole set of brand new BMWs that are still in the factory plastic. Supposedly they were "not for sale":

Interesting side note… when the trunk gets weathered you can see the carbon underneath:

cotmfk · 11-09-2022, 08:45 AM

People should add the VIN in the text of these posts. Otherwise, once the link goes dead, people won't know what car was the problem.

Then, this should become a sticky.

NSX2M4 · 11-09-2022, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by essjon

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-fo...9/2016-bmw-m3/

"MINT"

essjon · 11-09-2022, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cotmfk

People should add the VIN in the text of these posts. Otherwise, once the link goes dead, people won't know what car was the problem.

Then, this should become a sticky.

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/m3/2016/...29/?radius=200

MathewM4 · 11-11-2022, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

It's just so hard to gauge what an auction will bring you. Check out this whole set of brand new BMWs that are still in the factory plastic. Supposedly they were "not for sale":

Interesting side note… when the trunk gets weathered you can see the carbon underneath:

https://jalopnik.com/nearly-3-000-re...jus-1838295850

This explains what actually happened.

HotRodM4 · 11-11-2022, 05:23 PM

Good guy for posting this ⚠️

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heitzke Captain 1162 Rep 778 Posts Drives: '15 M4 base, '04 Cobra Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Nashville iTrader: (1)	Glad to see this thread exist in general, I got burned on a GT500 7-8yrs ago that had been repaired and flipped at auction prior to any accident making it onto a CarFax. A critical thing here is that all US states have different laws on what constitutes a totaled/salvage vehicle with varying degrees of % damage. Some states are 100% value states before a vehicle could pick up a branded title. There's also a varying length of time in which it takes accidents of any scope to be reported appropriately and make it into reporting. The accident my GT500 was in ended up never showing up and the vehicle came from AR which was a 100% value damage state. The car I purchased had been rear-ended and spun off the road and picked up almost 30k in damage. The market value of the GT500's at the time was in the 30's anyway so it still had a clean title due to the state it was from, and the vehicle was fixed/sold in the window between the accident and for accident reporting to actually show. All that to say, be careful with ALL used cars regardless of where they're being sold. Everyone is using the same flawed data and procedures so trust your gut. __________________ Mosselman-powered M4 - 698/714 \| 2.9 Whipple 2004 Cobra - 690/645 \| Instagram
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