Is the F80 M3 a supercar?

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by stooker

Seriously, a hard NO to the M3 being a supercar. I don't consider any F8x in that class, GTS included. But +1 to the above... interested to get perspective on what other cars your buddy thinks are supercars. If he starts listing cars like the Cayman, Exige, RS5, GT350, GTR and such, his perception is a obviously very different than most. They're all great cars in their own right, but not what most would consider to be in the "supercar" echelon. You're getting into the exotic marques - Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc., but of course there are exceptions like the Viper.

Although, I don't consider many cars with back seats to be supercars, well, at least back seats with enough room to do "stuff" in.

What kind of stuff are you doing in the back seats???

[amw896]

Originally Posted by pheerlx

This car also made many magazine covers
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Lol that tbird.

[captainaudio]

The F80 M3 is definoetly a Supercar.

And it is not merely a supercar it is the greatest engineering and technical accomplishment of mankind.

Anyone who does not think the M3 is a supercar is a hater who is jealous because they can't afford one. If anyone that doesn't think that the F80 is a supercar and is driving a more expensive car than an F80 they are clueless about cars or they are simply a poseur who thinks that the it is price and price alone that makes a car a supercar.

[InControl]

A super car is a car you dream and drool about ever driving, yet alone owning one.
M3 is not on the menu 😉

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by InControl

A super car is a car you dream and drool about ever driving, yet alone owning one.
M3 is not on the menu ��

Maybe not for you, but it is for many people.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by InControl

A super car is a car you dream and drool about ever driving, yet alone owning one.
M3 is not on the menu ��

Maybe when I was 16...
up until I was 39 and finally got one!!

[HPIA4v2]

4-pages of postings and yet no one come up with definition of super-car

[jmg]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

4-pages of postings and yet no one come up with definition of super-car

Anyone can just look at the wiki. Real genius is just talking out of our asses!

[InControl]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Maybe not for you, but it is for many people.

Ride a sport bike and you'll have a higher bar to get excited. Used to drive turbo cars for a while and it was fun, now need a 10 second car to be thrilled. Smooth 6 and 8 keep me satisfied cruising along or hitting curves.

Power and supercar is relative to what you're familiar with.

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by InControl

A super car is a car you dream and drool about ever driving, yet alone owning one.
M3 is not on the menu ��

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Maybe not for you, but it is for many people.

Originally Posted by InControl

Ride a sport bike and you'll have a higher bar to get excited. Used to drive turbo cars for a while and it was fun, now need a 10 second car to be thrilled. Smooth 6 and 8 keep me satisfied cruising along or hitting curves.

Power and supercar is relative to what you're familiar with.

I didn't say the M3/4 was a supercar. It is not. What I said was that it is still a car that many dream of owning and driving, even if you don't.

[BMWM5NYC]

Ask him what does think the F10 M5 is.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

I didn't say the M3/4 was a supercar. It is not. What I said was that it is still a car that many dream of owning and driving, even if you don't.

I agree. The M3/4 is a car that many people and aspire to or that they consider desirable, I have had a few people look at my M4 and tell me that it is their dream car. I think part of the reason is that the car seems somewhat attainable while cars like Paganis, Veyrons, Ferraris, Lambos, McLarens, etc. are cars are out of reach for the average auto enthusiast,

[TransporterG]

Agreed. Not much to argue--it is all about the community one relates to.

Some people think Rolex's are the apex of watch ownership--and in whatever community he or she comes from, perhaps it is. In others, or within communities that know mechanical watches well, a Rolex is an entry-level, aspirational brand like Coach handbags, and certainly no super-watch in a world of highly sophisticated and numbered watches. Same for both the M and BMW.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by TransporterG

Agreed. Not much to argue--it is all about the community one relates to.

Some people think Rolex's are the apex of watch ownership--and in whatever community he or she comes from, perhaps it is. In others, or within communities that know mechanical watches well, a Rolex is an entry-level, aspirational brand like Coach handbags, and certainly no super-watch in a world of highly sophisticated and numbered watches. Same for both the M and BMW.

With cars, watches and many other things, stereo equipment for example as the price escalates improvements generally do not go at the same rate. You eventually reach a point where you are paying a lot more money for something that a little bit better and in some ways may not be as good.

One thing I learned from my career in retail sales is that there is a market for the most expensive example of any product based on that alone. People tend to perceive "quality" by the price tag or by the brand. As an example I would bet that if BMW figured out that they could reduce the price of a Rolls Royce to $85,000 and keep the car identical to what it is today they would probably sell a lot more of them but to an entirely different market, The current Rolls Royce customers would abandon the brand and continue to purchase $300,000+ cars from other manufacturers as the Rolls Royce brand would have lost its desirability to them.

Where I am going with all of this is that one of the things that makes a car a supercar is exclusivity which means mass produced cars are excluded from the category regardless of how well they perform.

If an M3 could get around a track faster than a Pagoni they Pagoni would still qualify as a supercar and the M3 would not although the M3 would, and does, qualify as a high performance car.

[Race_Doc11]

Super car! absolutely not. Bmw does not make Super cars.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

With cars, watches and many other things, stereo equipment for example as the price escalates improvements generally do not go at the same rate.

Exactly, and usually you get more of a niche customer who's willing to make fewer trade-offs with the core use-case.

For example, as a car gets more track oriented you lose a/c, stereo, leather seats, etc and eventually you have a frame, suspension, wheels, engine, and bare controls. You've lost almost every feature, but specialized the car. It may be 4x the price but only 1.5x faster. Of course this is because of volume costs, materials, etc. And not to start the DCT debate but ...

A real motor sports purist doesn't give a fuck about an MT, they care about speed. So it's hilarious listening to people make the "few milliseconds" DCT argument and disqualify themselves from being motor sports purists.

Milliseconds is all racing has ever been about!!

Anyway, another example you mentioned is HiFi equip: you get a more pure "less for much more" case there.

For example, with headphone DACs, you can get a Schiit Modi Multi-bit for $250 or Yggdrasil for $2300. It takes a pretty good set of ears and headphones to detect the difference, but purists appreciate it enough to spend $2000 for it.

[Draper]

Super car, yes!

Supercar, no.

[Habber]

It's a sports sedan with a super car payment.

[snowmuch]

The R35 GTR is far from being a super car. And M3...since when does super car have 4 doors

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

No! My RS is not a super car, and my M4 is a fast commuter car.

Your GT3 isn't considered a super car ? I genuinely thought it, the GT2 and the 911 Turbo/Turbo S were Porsche's super cars (no need to even mention the beauty that is the 918).

[aX3Man]

This is an M3/M4 forum...of course it's a supercar. If the next generation goes 500+hp then it will move up to hypercar status.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by StormRYU

Your GT3 isn't considered a super car ? I genuinely thought it, the GT2 and the 911 Turbo/Turbo S were Porsche's super cars (no need to even mention the beauty that is the 918).

Porsche’s only super car is the 918. By way the GT3RS has the turbo body, and lower production. My point was 911 are not super Cars, and why would a M3/4? Don’t read to hard into it.