Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[NickyC]

Bill is a baller.

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Not to hijack this Porsche insanity (wow!), just had the most unusual thing happen. Stopped by the local BMW and they had an older Aventador Roadster in the lot. Absolutely incredible, one of my top five cars. The amazing part of this story is while I was pulling in, three kids on their bikes were waving and hooting. I was close to the Lambo so I naturally thought they were waving me to the car. Wrong! Turns out they all love the M4 and wanted to know all about my car. Here I am parked next to one of the most beautiful cars on the planet and all they wanted to talk about was my car. I showed them all around, revved it, let ‘em sit in it, take tons of pictures etc. I kept pointing at the Aventador but they weren’t interested, it was just hilarious. Anyway I had to sneak one pic of them as there is no way anybody would believe me otherwise. I kind of like those kids lol!!

This is so awesome. The M3/4 has something special. Part of the appeal is that it is a realistic car to aspire to. It would take a significant financial event in my life before I could ever think of owning a super car. The M3/4? I just needed a few good developments in my career and it became possible. Plus an M car can be easily modded, with some mods only being hundreds of dollars and not thousands or tens of thousands. These kids know a car they might reasonably one day afford and one they can make their own. Plus you can make an M car a daily and actually get to drive it and enjoy it on a regular basis. I could go on but the M3/4 just hits so many sweet spots for those who love cars. It’s a shame the G8x generation is what it is. It would have been nice if it would have been a design all of us loved.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

This is so awesome. The M3/4 has something special. Part of the appeal is that it is a realistic car to aspire to. It would take a significant financial event in my life before I could ever think of owning a super car. The M3/4? I just needed a few good developments in my career and it became possible. Plus an M car can be easily modded, with some mods only being hundreds of dollars and not thousands or tens of thousands. These kids know a car they might reasonably one day afford and one they can make their own. Plus you can make an M car a daily and actually get to drive it and enjoy it on a regular basis. I could go on but the M3/4 just hits so many sweet spots for those who love cars. It’s a shame the G8x generation is what it is. It would have been nice if it would have been a design all of us loved.

Agree 100%, just love these cars!

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Arcades

Wow lol

I am legit curious about the difference too since CanAutM3 has a regular Turbo as well.

Originally Posted by mzcp

Congrats on your beast. That TTS rear looks so aggressive. What are the differences between the TT and TTS besides the PCCB and HP/TQ increase?

The only ”hard” difference between the turbo and turbo-S is the power/torque from the larger turbos on the -S (2mm larger turbine wheels) and the badging. All the other TT-S features can be added as options on the TT.

In my case, there were two standard features on the TT-S that I did NOT want: PCCB and PDCC. So I figured I’d just go with the TT and save a few $ in the process. I would have preferred they keep all those standard TT-S features as optional and just sell you the higher power for ~17k CAD (the difference between the TT and TT-S after you add the TT-S standard features to the TT), but hey, that’s how Porsche marketing works: “force upsell” you into a bunch of options to get the next model up the pecking order.

[CanAutM3]

Since we’re on the topic of the 911 turbo, I have a fun tidbit:

While driving the Grossglockner Hochaplenstasse during our vacation in Austria, we came across these two 992.2 TT/TT-S mules doing high altitude testing. The test drivers were very friendly and I chatted with them for a few minutes. They said the cars are fantastic but still far away of being production ready. They confirmed they were hybrid and that the power was mesmerizing. They said they could not really feel the extra weight and that they handled great. I am not surprised though that Porsche test drivers only had good things to say about the car. The new dashboard with the digital tacho looks OK, but I prefer the look of the current analog one.

[M3JetPilot]

When I see drawings like this it makes me angry to see BMW taking its current design path. How arrogant is a company to pump out crappy designs and just expect everyone to get use to it. Or buy the darker colors to hide what are obviously questionable design elements. I’m not saying these designs are perfect but BMW had an opportunity to put out some epic future cars. Instead they just divided their customer base with designs some have grown to like, but no one would have missed if BMW had gone the direction of these renderings.

[clutchdj]

Originally Posted by darrvao777

this is sadly not me but some guy picked up three 911s last week at the local porsche dealership

i’d settle for one of those in this lifetime ��

uuuugh. always had a soft spot for the slant nose turbos. my buddy had a yellow one. '89 it looks like. that gt3t is gorgeous.

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

When I see drawings like this it makes me angry to see BMW taking its current design path. How arrogant is a company to pump out crappy designs and just expect everyone to get use to it. Or buy the darker colors to hide what are obviously questionable design elements. I’m not saying these designs are perfect but BMW had an opportunity to put out some epic future cars. Instead they just divided their customer base with designs some have grown to like, but no one would have missed if BMW had gone the direction of these renderings.

Considering the forced move to electric, G8x is the last pure ICE M3. And that is sad to me.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Since we’re on the topic of the 911 turbo, I have a fun tidbit:

While driving the Grossglockner Hochaplenstasse in during our vacation in Austria, we came across these two 992.2 TT/TT-S mules doing high altitude testing. The test drivers were very friendly and I chatted with them for a few minutes. They said the cars are fantastic but still far away of being production ready. They confirmed they were hybrid and that the power was mesmerizing. They said they could not really feel the extra weight and that they handled great. I am not surprised though that Porsche test drivers only had good things to say about the car. The new dashboard with the digital tacho looks OK, but I prefer the look of the current analog one.

It will be interesting to see how they package the hybrid system. Will they be going with a small battery pack like the Eray, which is only 1.9kwh? Eray is about 270lbs more than a Z06.

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

Considering the forced move to electric, G8x is the last pure ICE M3. And that is sad to me.

BMW robbed a good portion of their most faithful buyers of a new M3. If they had gone more towards a 3.0 CSL grille nobody would know the difference, and most in this thread, including myself, would have gone with it. Instead they went straight to ugly. Sad indeed.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Since we’re on the topic of the 911 turbo, I have a fun tidbit:

While driving the Grossglockner Hochaplenstasse in during our vacation in Austria, we came across these two 992.2 TT/TT-S mules doing high altitude testing. The test drivers were very friendly and I chatted with them for a few minutes. They said the cars are fantastic but still far away of being production ready. They confirmed they were hybrid and that the power was mesmerizing. They said they could not really feel the extra weight and that they handled great. I am not surprised though that Porsche test drivers only had good things to say about the car. The new dashboard with the digital tacho looks OK, but I prefer the look of the current analog one.

Was the hybrid system for turbo models only? Did you guys discuss hybrid for Carrera/S/GTS?

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Was the hybrid system for turbo models only? Did you guys discuss hybrid for Carrera/S/GTS?

I would guess certain models would get the hybrid systems while others will stay ICE only, then eventually Porsche will spread that out so buyers would have choices.

Or do what they always do, go from the top down. Turbo S, Turbo, GTS, S and base.

[M3JetPilot]

This would have made an interesting G8x. Or maybe an electric M3

[cotmfk]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

This would have made an interesting G8x. Or maybe an electric M3

That front end would have been worlds better than what we actually are being sold.

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by cotmfk

That front end would have been worlds better than what we actually are being sold.

Agreed! These are some more possible electric renderings. There’s an obvious choice between these two, BMW.

[NSX2M4]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

This would have made an interesting G8x. Or maybe an electric M3

That's a Pontiac GTO.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by M3JetPilot

Agreed! These are some more possible electric renderings. There’s an obvious choice between these two, BMW.

bruh... what in the fruit is that bottom render. done by a 13yo kid?

it's literally a G20 with a G22 front. and the first one is a 02 Hommage concept stuck onto the Neue Klasse concept as if BMW would stick what's now a 5year old bodykit onto their brand-new car that's said to resemble a 3 Series but be significantly different still.

we should stop caring so much about these random renders that various media outlets put up to backup their articles and whatnot.

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by darrvao777

this is sadly not me but some guy picked up three 911s last week at the local porsche dealership

i’d settle for one of those in this lifetime 😂

Bill is a boomer

On a serious note, all three are superb machines.0

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by swagon

bruh... what in the fruit is that bottom render. done by a 13yo kid?

it's literally a G20 with a G22 front. and the first one is a 02 Hommage concept stuck onto the Neue Klasse concept as if BMW would stick what's now a 5year old bodykit onto their brand-new car that's said to resemble a 3 Series but be significantly different still.

we should stop caring so much about these random renders that various media outlets put up to backup their articles and whatnot.

Yeah, they’re pretty bad, though I like the yellow one better. Don’t really care about them but I do find it interesting to see these attempts. Remember when this was suppose to be the G80. 😂

[wtwo3]

Went to a Porsche experience today. Here are my honest impressions - which in some cases I get may not be popular opinion.

Got to drive the Macan T, Cayenne S, 911 Carrera S, and 911 C4S around the track, along with the Taycan S and 4S on an autocross.

My takeaways:

- Drove the Macan T first. It felt weak. I wasn't a fan. It handled pretty well but the 2.0L turbo was gutless and sluggish.
- Next up - the Cayenne S. This felt much better, had a great V8 rumble, and the interior was a definite step above the Macan. That being said, I STILL would have a really hard time justifying it over an X5. The X5 performs better, has an equally nice interior, more tech, and is significantly cheaper.
- It was now time for the 911s. I drove the C4s first, followed by the Cs. And yeah..... this is the real deal. I understand the hype. The lightning quick PDK shifts... the aggressive throttle blips... the point and shoot handling... the rotation and turn-in.... how planted it felt....I get it. Is it worth double the price of an M3? I don't know... but wow was it a hell of a car to drive.
- Last was the Taycan on the autocross. It was FAST.. and handled pretty well for a big heavy car. But that's where the good stuff ended. It felt completely lifeless. After driving the 911, this just felt so underwhelming. And yeah the instant torque was a neat party trick, but it was almost painful and nauseating. The entire experience felt like the life had been sucked out of the drive. I've now driven numerous Teslas, the BMW i4 m50i, the Mini Cooper EV, and now this Taycan. The Taycan easily drives the best of all of them.... but it doesn't offer even an ounce more excitement. I think EV just isn't for me, and I can't say I haven't given it a fair chance.

One more thing I'll note. In the past I've come away from these events and gotten into my car wishing I had a new car. This time I got into my M3, fired it up, drove off thinking - yeah the 911 was incredible, but this M3 is a pretty damn good car. I know people here hate the G80, but subjective opinions on its looks aside - it's a damn good car to drive.

All this being said - I'm looking forward to joining ya'll in 911 ownership in the future.

[icegrill]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Went to a Porsche experience today. Here are my honest impressions - which in some cases I get may not be popular opinion.

Got to drive the Macan T, Cayenne S, 911 Carrera S, and 911 C4S around the track, along with the Taycan S and 4S on an autocross.

My takeaways:

- Drove the Macan T first. It felt weak. I wasn't a fan. It handled pretty well but the 2.0L turbo was gutless and sluggish.
- Next up - the Cayenne S. This felt much better, had a great V8 rumble, and the interior was a definite step above the Macan. That being said, I STILL would have a really hard time justifying it over an X5. The X5 performs better, has an equally nice interior, more tech, and is significantly cheaper.
- It was now time for the 911s. I drove the C4s first, followed by the Cs. And yeah..... this is the real deal. I understand the hype. The lightning quick PDK shifts... the aggressive throttle blips... the point and shoot handling... the rotation and turn-in.... how planted it felt....I get it. Is it worth double the price of an M3? I don't know... but wow was it a hell of a car to drive.
- Last was the Taycan on the autocross. It was FAST.. and handled pretty well for a big heavy car. But that's where the good stuff ended. It felt completely lifeless. After driving the 911, this just felt so underwhelming. And yeah the instant torque was a neat party trick, but it was almost painful and nauseating. The entire experience felt like the life had been sucked out of the drive. I've now driven numerous Teslas, the BMW i4 m50i, the Mini Cooper EV, and now [...]

Better get on a “list” now for a 992 if you’re even considering it. I feel like it’s only going to get more cutthroat for build slots as the EV panic sets in.

[M3JetPilot]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Went to a Porsche experience today. Here are my honest impressions…

What a great write up. Thank you for taking the time to do this. Despite BMW’s weird design direction I will always love their cars. For the price they give a lot of value in most cases.

I wish the design controversies had never happened. There’s just something special about the excitement of a new generation of M cars. Between the ridiculous grilles and other design elements and the advent of the EV, a lot of that excitement is gone for me. It all just seems so unnecessary. Designs can’t be aggressive without being outlandish? EV’s have to be sterile and lifeless, with ugly wheels?

As I said above, BMW had a chance to make some epic cars. It seems like that opportunity has been lost as the EVs are forced on us.