Anyone else get banned from the G8X section for making fun of its looks?

[dms-01]

Please Jcali86 this is our safe space don't invade it.

[pbar]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

It's a dream of mine to drive Laguna Seca, I've spent countless hours on Forza and Gran Turismo driving that track. Did you ever see the Jeremy Clarkson episode where he learned it and got a time on GT then drove it for real in an NSX? I never knew how steep the corkscrew was until then; seemed easy on my game when I was younger!

Do it! You won't regret it.

If you haven't taken your car to a track before then I'd recommend doing the first time or two with HookedOnDriving - they are extremely good with beginners and have an amazing safety record.
Laguna Seca is easy to do as a day trip from SF.... but, apart from the corkscrew, I find ThunderHill is actually more fun (especially the 5 mile circuit!)

First time over the corkscrew in real life is kinda scary - I was glad that an instructor at the course briefing told me to 'aim for the tree with the yellow ribbon'. Also, the braking zone just before the turn is really uneven and massively unsettles the car.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Please Jcali86 this is our safe space don't invade it.

The ghost at the feast! Ha nah I'm just trying to get out my bubble

Originally Posted by pbar

Do it! You won't regret it.

If you haven't taken your car to a track before then I'd recommend doing the first time or two with HookedOnDriving - they are extremely good with beginners and have an amazing safety record.
Laguna Seca is easy to do as a day trip from SF.... but, apart from the corkscrew, I find ThunderHill is actually more fun (especially the 5 mile circuit!)

First time over the corkscrew in real life is kinda scary - I was glad that an instructor at the course briefing told me to 'aim for the tree with the yellow ribbon'. Also, the braking zone just before the turn is really uneven and massively unsettles the car.

Thanks, much appreciated! I'm going to go for some runs after work on Gran Turismo after all this talk, sucks they delayed the new one!

ntg44

FDG is my order
Annoyingly it's a standard option for only 2300 CAD but they're probably charging me 4500 US. I wish it was $70k as well; I think it's going to be hitting 6 figures with my options though

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Pray he never insults S65 in your presence

I don't own an S65 anymore either to be fair. It has warts just like every gen of the M3.

I started off thinking the grills were the worst part of the G80 and sure I harped on that pretty hard but honestly after seeing it in person its other parts of the design that just don't speak to me. I also would only buy a manual M car and they have neutered that version.

Visually I prefer the F8x to any other M3/M4. Probably the best looking cars I have ever owned. They looked good from every angle. I have actually been considering picking up another 15/16 Civic M3.






On a side note I think it's funny Jcali has come in here trying to be friendly after I'm pretty sure he reported me to get me banned from the G80 section and is probably referring to me as a "low effort troll".

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I don't own an S65 anymore either to be fair. It has warts just like every gen of the M3.

Visually I prefer the F8x to any other M3/M4. Probably the best looking cars I have ever owned. They looked good from every angle. I have actually been considering picking up another 15/16 Civic M3.

Yup, no M3 is perfect - each one has its character traits (for better or for worse lol)

Pre-LCI F8X is definitely a performance bargain right now and will continue to be since it's still depreciating - while an EL setup may not fix the sound for you completely, it may do just enough to make F8X ownership palatable

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Yup, no M3 is perfect - each one has its character traits (for better or for worse lol)

Pre-LCI F8X is definitely a performance bargain right now and will continue to be since it's still depreciating - while an EL setup may not fix the sound for you completely, it may do just enough to make F8X ownership palatable

Honestly the best fix for me was leaving the exhaust stock and ASD turned on.. then the only problem was my wife making fun of the car when she rode behind me.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I started off thinking the grills were the worst part of the G80 and sure I harped on that pretty hard but honestly after seeing it in person its other parts of the design that just don't speak to me. I also would only buy a manual M car and they have neutered that version.

Grill is what pops out the most instantly, but the more you go into it's seams the more you see that the grill is not the problem at all, it's literally everything else.

And if I was to pick up one I'd go for the manual too. It's the only answer when no M-DCT

Originally Posted by dmk08

Visually I prefer the F8x to any other M3/M4. Probably the best looking cars I have ever owned. They looked good from every angle. I have actually been considering picking up another 15/16 Civic M3.

I too think the F generation is the best looking one. It looks so damn good, in every color and from all angles!

Only thing you really need on that car is to lower it a bit and voila!

Originally Posted by dmk08

On a side note I think it's funny Jcali has come in here trying to be friendly after I'm pretty sure he reported me to get me banned from the G80 section and is probably referring to me as a "low effort troll".

I found the post and it looks rather aggressive and presumes what the Alfa images is even about (and this was from a TOP GEAR article the same day comparing the two, so it's not like I went out of my way to find it), I mean it's easy to become blind to it in the bubble there but the images was to show the design differences and not the height in itself, although you can clearly see how the black outline on the new M makes it seem like a SUV height because it hides so much.


I don't venture into that section because every thread turns out the same

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Honestly the best fix for me was leaving the exhaust stock and ASD turned on.. then the only problem was my wife making fun of the car when she rode behind me.

Tbh this should have come as an accessory ASD option on F8X launch (1:15 for to cut to the chase)

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Grill is what pops out the most instantly, but the more you go into it's seams the more you see that the grill is not the problem at all, it's literally everything else.

And if I was to pick up one I'd go for the manual too. It's the only answer when no M-DCT

I too think the F generation is the best looking one. It looks so damn good, in every color and from all angles!

Only thing you really need on that car is to lower it a bit and voila!




I found the post and it looks rather aggressive and presumes what the Alfa images is even about (and this was from a TOP GEAR article the same day comparing the two, so it's not like I went out of my way to find it), I mean it's easy to become blind to it in the bubble there but the images was to show the design differences and not the height in itself, although you can clearly see how the black outline on the new M makes it seem like a SUV height because it hides so much.


I don't venture into that section because every thread turns out the same

I blame stein.. I hadn't gone in there for months and he posted that thread about "has your opinion changed since seeing it" so I decided to go reply. Apparently replying on topic was the straw that broke the camels back...

The problem w/ buying an F80 right now is I would only go manual and COVID has the prices freaking insane. I see 18s selling for what I paid new..

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Oops, I just said to vote if you saw it, but your right, your intial comments were tame and answered the question at hand, after seeing it you didn't like it, and then they doubted you just because of your opinion not matching theirs.

Another member in here, I believe dms-01, said he didn't like it, and then the fanboys doubted that he had never looked at the car in person, when he literally took it on a test drive and has his own thread in the G8X forum of his test drive impressions.

I don't really care just pullin ya leg. I have no intentions of ever buying the car so I don't need to go back in there. Now if I could just get the BMW sales guys to stop calling me about it...

I will say this chat has me looking at 16 F80s on autotrader now

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Oops, I just said to vote if you saw it, but your right, your intial comments were tame and answered the question at hand, after seeing it you didn't like it, and then they doubted you just because of your opinion not matching theirs.

Another member in here, I believe dms-01, said he didn't like it, and then the fanboys doubted that he had never looked at the car in person, when he literally took it on a test drive and has his own thread in the G8X forum of his test drive impressions. 🤦*♂️

Everything I get from that section is that they are overly aggressive towards anyone not being 110% positive about it.

They even go as far as to say the majority likes it and if you disagree they get super mad even when BMW's own people said 20% like the grill in their focus testing or whatever which means the vast majority dislike it.

Making up facts to win aesthetic arguments even talking about which lenses to use, something I've never heard anyone say about any previous generations. It just goes to show how terrible it displays itself IMO

At the end of the day nobody here is going to change their mind or take their candy away from them, doesn't mean we can't say we hate the taste of their candy tho

[RugbyBro]

^^^ It there a way to appreciate a post more than once?!?

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Back to Jcali answering the summon, I think its important that he realize this thread is not completely about the G8X. This thread was actually started in response to the censorship, editing of posts, and banning of long time members on BP, and had eventually delved into the realm of the G8X. Even still, not all 190+ pages are about the G8X, and while the G8X is the butt of the joke in this thread, the problems we discuss with the G8X range deeper than the car itself but rather with the overall brand, as we have discussed throughout the many pages of this thread.

This thread has more so become its own little mini forum here within the F8X forums. I mean look at this, 190+ pages and 4200+ posts, all within the span of only 6 months. It has become a serious place for great conversation and debate, all in a civil manner too might I add.

And that conversation includes other things than just the G8X. We have spent pages talking about BMW as a company, their brand history, their future, their transition into EV's, their marketing as of late, their designers, interviews, and decisions, as well as other products, not just the M3, We've talked about the F8X and G8X of course, but also some talk of the i4, a lot of talk about the iX, as well as the M5CS. We've spent time talking about Bimmerpost as a forum, mods and censorship. We've also talked a lot about other brands, whether it be Porsche, Mercedes, Lexus, Alfa, Audi, Cadillac/GM, Tesla, and even Hyundai/Kia/Genesis. We've talked about Albert Biermann, Dukec and Hooydonk, as well as a lot of other automotive discussion and technical information too. A few of us in here that frequently post, don't even have F8X's anymore or are moving or already have moved to other brands/vehicles. I myself never even owned an F8X, however I have a good amount of experience with them and I always appreciated them and Biermann's philosophy behind them. Some members don't really even fondly like the F8X that much in here.

This has become a safe place to air the many grievances we have with the brand, not just the M3, but the many other decisions made from a design, technical, dynamics, etc. standpoint. And I am thankful that the mods have allowed us to have this conversation here and continue it for all this time, as I know they don't want them in the G8X forums or on the front page.

Are we justifying our choice? Of course, as we have every right to do so, and if anything we are doing it outside of the G8X forums, so it shouldn't even bother those in the G8X forums. Those of us who still do post there, whether it be RugbyBro, or DMS-01, and especially CanAutM3, have been incredibly civil and respectful offering their opinion and critiques, both positive and negative, and in the case of CanAutM3, have offered significant amounts of useful technical data and information.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I will say this chat has me looking at 16 F80s on autotrader now

Join the dark side, we have torque!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

Join the dark side, we have torque!

Re-join I was an F80 / E85 pioneer lol

I probably would if there were decent 6MT examples for about $45k (which is what they should cost by now) but COVID price gouging continues. Its also the lack of manuals overall. I put 2 into circulation but man they are hard to find in good color combos for a good price. After owning a DCT E92 I have no desire to own another automatic.

[Tecnniqe]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I probably would if there were decent 6MT examples for about $45k (which is what they should cost by now) but COVID price gouging continues.

Ya it's insane. I can sell my car for what I purchased it for

But this baby is a keeper

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by dmk08

On a side note I think it's funny Jcali has come in here trying to be friendly after I'm pretty sure he reported me to get me banned from the G80 section and is probably referring to me as a "low effort troll".

Pretty sure or you know?

A low effort troll is someone who just posts a bunch of puke emojis or some other lame rhetoric without any discussion. I don't recall you doing anything like that. I was enjoying the discussion with you, it was fun until it wasn't and I stopped replying; I had no idea you got banned but it wasn't me reporting that, couldn't care less if you want to buy a caddy or a hybrid AMG; enjoy it. I wouldn't touch either personally but I wouldn't report you for it.

I read back through a huge amount of this thread and see I was massively off base with my points, but I'm glad I posted and it got called out so I could get out the bubble and see some different perspectives.

Originally Posted by Tecnniqe

I found the post and it looks rather aggressive and presumes what the Alfa images is even about (and this was from a TOP GEAR article the same day comparing the two, so it's not like I went out of my way to find it), I mean it's easy to become blind to it in the bubble there but the images was to show the design differences and not the height in itself, although you can clearly see how the black outline on the new M makes it seem like a SUV height because it hides so much.


I don't venture into that section because every thread turns out the same

I was being defensive and petty, but learned some and grew up a bit (hopefully)

[jpy1980]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Respect for showing up in the lions den

Some of your posts give the impression that you’re brand new and only into the brand as a statement piece. To some it comes across as insincere and kind of brash, certainly it has to me. I’m glad to hear that BMW means something to you, as it means something to all of us as well - 190 pages of this thread are not all about G8X, a lot of it is a vent about BMW’s decisions in general and how many of us feel the company is headed in a direction that we don’t agree with or are going about it in a way that we don’t think is right. There’s also the fact that the mods have been, well let’s say, “aggressive” in the way a lot of people have been banned from G80post, so understand that’s factoring into all of this as well. Anyway, we are where we are now, and I’m personally taking G8X in as it is... at the end of the day it’s a F8X 2.0 under its skin which isn’t such a bad thing. From that perspective, you may actually find the content on F80post useful during the early days of G8X. I don’t bite and I don’t believe the majority of people here do either... well at least not too hard, regardless of how it seems from the outside looking in

Originally Posted by GrussGott

(1.) It's really ugly
(2.) It shits on 50+ years of BMW design lineage
(3.) It's shits on 40 years of ///M product integrity: road-going track cars (it's a GT car: track-able road car)

Nobody's here to argue, just to discuss cars, and specifically BMWs; What's in these 190 pages is discussion and, personally, I'd love to have your opinions in these discussions, though I'd understand if you're not comfortable hearing from those that don't like your grail car ...

For me, I've always thought it's better to be psychologically strong than psychologically safe, so I love discussion with reasonable folk of differing opinions.

Thanks for diving in, I hope you stick around!

Originally Posted by Arcades

One thing you get to understand being around cars is pretty simple honestly, it is mainly an emotional thing. You can never logic your way out of it. Just as Porsche realized pretty fast about the Turbo Flat 4 being a mistake in the 718. Despite all the numbers and engineering saying the flat 4 is a better engine compared to the former Flat Six, there was nothing they can do about people complaining about it. That's why Porsche at the very least, shoved the NA Flat Six back in some of the 718 cars.

This is why BMW has gotten things wrong so often lately and they don't seem to understand. All of Dukec's attempts of justifying what he did is making it worse for those who disagree, and there are a lot of us who disagree. You don't pour more fuel to the fire, it's just going to annoy us more.

You don't need to read through 190+ pages of this thread. You only need to understand half of the community is angry at BMW and the others are mad at BP mods for banning so many long time community members from the G8x forum for voicing their displeasure about the car.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

Pretty sure or you know?

A low effort troll is someone who just posts a bunch of puke emojis or some other lame rhetoric without any discussion. I don't recall you doing anything like that. I was enjoying the discussion with you, it was fun until it wasn't and I stopped replying; I had no idea you got banned but it wasn't me reporting that, couldn't care less if you want to buy a caddy or a hybrid AMG; enjoy it. I wouldn't touch either personally but I wouldn't report you for it.

I read back through a huge amount of this thread and see I was massively off base with my points, but I'm glad I posted and it got called out so I could get out the bubble and see some different perspectives.



I was being defensive and petty, but learned some and grew up a bit (hopefully)

I mean I said pretty sure not I know so that's what I meant.

[Jcali86]

Wasn't me my dude. Shame you're gone as you sparked plenty of interesting conversations, whether I or anyone agreed with you or not was no reason for you to be banned.

[jpy1980]

ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS DEBATE IS A.................RACE!!

Let's get CanAutM3 vs SYT_Shadow, get them both versions, stock for stock, on a neutral track and settle this once and for all!

=)

Come on BP, let's get it done!

[Arcades]

Originally Posted by jpy1980

ONLY WAY TO SOLVE THIS DEBATE IS A.................RACE!!

Let's get CanAutM3 vs SYT_Shadow, get them both versions, stock for stock, on a neutral track and settle this once and for all!

=)

Come on BP, let's get it done!

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/meFoDw6PrMo5q/200.gif[/IMG]

Oh god.

We have now reached Fast and Furious levels.

You know... I did once believe some of those JDM cars were nice. Until I went to college and found them a bit tacky.