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Much heavier (70+lbs) and losing the benefit of the shorter ratios. Anyone know how much heavier (if at all) the DCT is in the F10 compared to the E9X? I wonder if the quicker shifts of the DCT will be enough to offset the extra weight. It will be interesting to see comparative acceleration numbers between DCT and 6MT cars. Last edited by CanAutM3; 11-18-2013 at 09:33 PM.. |
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The 1M transmission is very encouraging. Can't wait to drive one. It could be a very special car ![]() |
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11-18-2013, 11:41 PM | #49 |
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I am a bit disappointed about the brakes being 4 pot standard vs. 6 pot CCB. I now have to debate whether to shell out extra 6 grand or so for the 6 pot. But then for track use, steelies will probably be a better choice. Maybe the better option here would be to get the steelies and use the extra $6k to upgrade to aftermarket BBK.
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Thank you for posting this! I am excited to drive mine!!!!!
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My intention was just to point out that ETA was owned by SWATCH. The post I was commenting on implied that Breitling etc was handmade/made more like the S65 engine. My point was to say that the movements they use are actually mass produced by a sub supplier. I don't see the analogy to Ferrari. Ferrari engines are made by themselves, not by Fiat. ETA movements are high quality. But the analogy that was made with high quality watches and the S65 engine wasn't a very good one. In fact the S55 engine would be more comparable with the Breitling watches (as the S55 is made on the main production plant, but not on a sub suppliers plant and used by other manufacturers like the ETA movements is though) ![]() Maybe the PSA diesel engines are a better analogy to the ETA movements? PSA engines are manufactured by Peugeot and is used by Peugeot, Citroen, Volvo, Ford and others. But we digress. Back to topic ![]() Last edited by Boss330; 11-19-2013 at 03:15 AM.. |
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11-19-2013, 05:49 AM | #53 |
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The DCT will most probably be quicker in a straight line. However, IMO, the advantage will not be as obvious as it was on the E9X... smoking might not be the right term here.
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11-19-2013, 07:07 AM | #54 | |
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CC brakes are fade resistent so better suited for high temp braking and weigh less, which means less stress on suspension/spring/damper units, also good for tracking. |
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As of the watches ... the Breitling watches were made by Breitling on their production plant and not on an mass production plant like ETA - so the analogy seem a very good one! And as I said before the real M spirit comes from the credo "Rennsporttechnik für die Straße" and the easiest point to show this is the racing inspired engine like S14, S52, S62, S54, S85 and S65. This is gone ... now its an mass produced engine with no racing spirit and produced on the same engine plant like all other regular AG engines. If you read the SPORTAUTO article between the lines and together with the the follow on E92/S65 article you know that the authors of ths great sportcars may feel the same ... the new M3/M4 would be an great car and "the best M3 ever" but in spite of the engine and not because of the engine... the engine is an real disappointment for many M fans. And I am of the opinion that an M3/M4 with an lightly modfied S65 would have minimum the same performance like with the S55, but with much more M emotions and M spirit! Quote:
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11-19-2013, 07:50 AM | #56 | |
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11-19-2013, 09:16 AM | #58 |
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Don't know about the rest of you but BMW, and BMW M, has been for quite some time the upscale brand of the masses.
It is the Louis Vuitton handbag purchased by middle class women the world over. It is not the Hermes bag. Rolex and Tag Heuer are good examples, as they both have high-end components but are priced accessible to a focused middle income person and they have high accessibility. I talk about this because M ultimately moved mass-market. The S55 engine sounds wonderful and I have no problem by it being built in a plant that knows a thing or two about building quality, mass-produced turbo engines. Hey, perhaps it will have less issues than some of the prior early-produced M engines did ![]() |
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11-19-2013, 09:19 AM | #59 |
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In regards to redline:
For such a group of enthusiasts, I'm surprised people are so easily fooled by redline on a tachometer. I've now owned several cars with a redline set ~300-400 rpms below fuel cutoff and where the true danger zone lies. We don't yet know the true revving capacity of the S55. We also don't know where the turbo tapers off. Perhaps a 7600 redline indicates a top end of the powerband and a good end to shift, while fuel cutoff occurs at 8000 rpms. A high-RPM track built 3.0 liter inline six has a lot of room to rev. Let's not say we know the true rev limiter under we find out. |
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11-19-2013, 09:24 AM | #60 |
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Kinda curious why there would be disappointment in 4-pot calipers. Steel rotors and 4-pots are a proven and reliable track combo with the right pads and fluids. Assuming they are well built, thick, and tall....should also be easier to work on and cheaper to maintain/repair/replace.
Also, less unsprung mass. |
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11-19-2013, 09:32 AM | #61 | |
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that said, I'm gonna skip other options to make room in the budget for the CCBs. |
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No one else was bothered with the 5/95 % reasoning because i think for me it is backwards. 95/5. |
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11-19-2013, 09:48 AM | #64 |
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Is there more subjective comments from the author of this piece? The info from Bierman is interesting and all but it could just as well been held in an office. The reason for a ride along would be to get impressions of sound, acceleration, ride, roll, cabin ambience, quality of materials etc. where is the excitement and guesses of how this car will compare and destroy the competition for years to come etc? I find the lack of such comments concerning. There weren't much of that from the ride alongs that Jason and co. attended earlier either. This is not a new Corolla or something it's a new M3, the best of the best in this category, people who has been in the car should be blown away and not stop raving about it. Doesn't seem to be the case.
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![]() Sure, the engine is a new direction and it will be interesting to see if it lives up to the task it has to meet. Quote:
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![]() I don't think you can buy a Ferrari without CCB anymore, many of them are tracked. |
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11-19-2013, 10:08 AM | #66 | |
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I have a feeling the M4 CCB will be closer to porsche specs, meaning the hardened surface on the disk is very thin. It will last on teh street but not on the track. Porsche PCCB will last about 3 times of a decent iron disk for a cost of x6. Plus, pad selection is a problem. Only one pad is available now (for porsche) which is not a race pad. Choose CCB if you are not tracking your car only!! (or take it off and store it for resale like I do on my GT3) |
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