M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

new review:

Yeah, he likes the car well enough to consider leasing one because it fits his needs so well. He'd be yet another auto journo who got one, which tells something...

He also got roasted in the youtube comments for his contention that the car is "disposable". It's the opposite of that, given that it gets better over time...

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Yeah, he likes the car well enough to consider leasing one because it fits his needs so well. He'd be yet another auto journo who got one, which tells something...

He also got roasted in the youtube comments for his contention that the car is "disposable". It's the opposite of that, given that it gets better over time...

I think by disposable he means there is nothing worth holding on to about it. no charm. nothing nostalgic. of course there will be software improvements, but the hardware, like a computer system, will get outdated in a few years.

the e46 had an inline 6, the e92 had a v8 and the last NA, this f80 might be the last RWD M3.

the next tesla 3 will be an improvement in every way over the current car. battery tech is only going to improve. I can't see any reason someone will want to hold on to it other than saving money.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

...the hardware...will get outdated in a few years...I can't see any reason someone will want to hold on to it other than saving money.

Same thing could be said about any new car.

At least the Model 3’s UI/tech/capability will be updated to keep it current, unlike virtually every ICE vehicle currently on sale.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

I think by disposable he means there is nothing worth holding on to about it. no charm. nothing nostalgic. of course there will be software improvements, but the hardware, like a computer system, will get outdated in a few years.

the e46 had an inline 6, the e92 had a v8 and the last NA, this f80 might be the last RWD M3.

the next tesla 3 will be an improvement in every way over the current car. battery tech is only going to improve. I can't see any reason someone will want to hold on to it other than saving money.

in my friend group, e46 is a car you strip down to turn into a club racer. That’s pretty much the definition of disposable (like an NA Miata).

We all saw the e90 to f30 dumb down that bmw did, and I hope it doesn’t happen but it is possible Tesla does the same thing in pursuit of more sales from mainstream non enthusiast owners.

That will cause owners like me to definitely keep the current car. If it becomes FSD, the rationale for getting the next gen goes way down anyway.

Personally, the money savings from FSD plus million mile battery durability is very exciting. Frees up more $ for w2w expenses

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

I think by disposable he means there is nothing worth holding on to about it. no charm. nothing nostalgic. of course there will be software improvements, but the hardware, like a computer system, will get outdated in a few years.

the e46 had an inline 6, the e92 had a v8 and the last NA, this f80 might be the last RWD M3.

the next tesla 3 will be an improvement in every way over the current car. battery tech is only going to improve. I can't see any reason someone will want to hold on to it other than saving money.

Current gen electric vehicles will be disposable when solid state batteries are main stream. Will be by far the biggest leap in tech for electric vehicles.

[LLNM4]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Current gen electric vehicles will be disposable when solid state batteries are main stream. Will be by far the biggest leap in tech for electric vehicles.

+1 totally agree

[BLU135i]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

We got two chargers in my apartment now so I dont think it should be much of an issue. I can technically charge every night. Im still waiting to see what the charging costs are as the building said they will be making their own pricing but the company they bought the charger from Blink wants 39 cents per 1 kwh which is insane. Cost at the plug here is .07 kwh.


I have 15 days from when I get the car to return it per Tesla but there isnt another car im interested in.

Andrew I assume you are in CA? I am currently waiting for a Model 3 performance myself in CA. Have had one on order since Oct 5th now. Killing me. Anyway love to see BMW people in the Tesla forums. Let’s me know I’m not crazy.
Hope you get a VIN soon

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by BLU135i

Andrew I assume you are in CA? I am currently waiting for a Model 3 performance myself in CA. Have had one on order since Oct 5th now. Killing me. Anyway love to see BMW people in the Tesla forums. Let’s me know I’m not crazy.
Hope you get a VIN soon

Hey,

No Im in Miami Fl my car arrives on the 20th and I still have not got my vin on my order page which is weird but, I did find it in the source data and already got my insurance all setup

From $878 every 6 months to $741

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

...my car arrives on the 20th

Early Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/non-denominational holiday present - nice! ;-)

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Early Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/non-denominational holiday present - nice! ;-)

Its actually a Birthday , hanukkah and christmas present to myself

[BLU135i]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Hey,

No Im in Miami Fl my car arrives on the 20th and I still have not got my vin on my order page which is weird but, I did find it in the source data and already got my insurance all setup

From $878 every 6 months to $741

Uuggh. Still waiting for VIN. Not even showing in source. Cutting it close here in CA. Delivery is going to be madness. Enjoy your new ride after pickup!!

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by BLU135i

Uuggh. Still waiting for VIN. Not even showing in source. Cutting it close here in CA. Delivery is going to be madness. Enjoy your new ride after pickup!!

My vin just showed up on the website 4 days before pickup.

[praxis218]

After 6 short months with my F80 M3 I've just placed an order for a Model 3 Performance to replace it

Haven't been this excited for a car in a long time.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by praxis218

After 6 short months with my F80 M3 I've just placed an order for a Model 3 Performance to replace it

Haven't been this excited for a car in a long time.

Congrats and welcome to the club!

Even after a year of ownership, I still look for excuses to drive it.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by praxis218

After 6 short months with my F80 M3 I've just placed an order for a Model 3 Performance to replace it

Haven't been this excited for a car in a long time.

Congrats.

Could you please expand on the pros and cons of each? What was your previous car?

You’ll get the grey wheels!

[praxis218]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Congrats and welcome to the club!

Even after a year of ownership, I still look for excuses to drive it.

Thanks, I should have test driven a Tesla a long time ago. I feel stupid for being so skeptical. I was one of those who called it a boring appliance.

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Congrats.

Could you please expand on the pros and cons of each? What was your previous car?

You’ll get the grey wheels!

My progression has been E90 328i, E92 335is, F30 335i, F30 340i, F80 M3, with some other cars thrown into the mix.

And once I got to the F80 I found that it's kind of boring to me now half a year into ownership.

As soon as I rode in my buddy's Tesla 2 weeks ago I knew I had to have one. I'm a software dev by training and had been skeptical of Autopilot, etc., but as soon as I played with his car I didn't want to get out of it.

Pros:
- Instant acceleration/torque that pins you to the seat, no waiting or shifting involved. Point and shoot into whatever spot you want in traffic.
- Autopilot situational awareness display lets you see around you at all times, way more useful than I thought
- Automatic 360 dashcam, plus sentry mode
- Speaker system better than HK audio
- Infotainment is smooth as glass. I thought the giant screen would be gimmicky but actually loved it. So responsive. Had a G20 loaner for a while and even iDrive 7 is antiquated compared to Tesla UI.
- My high rise gives me free unlimited charging, so no more paying for gas.
- Giant glass roof and back window is awesome. Lots of luggage space and bonus frunk.
- Being able to do so much via the smartphone app
- Continuous OTA updates, even increased HP with recent update for free. It's unheard of for a car company to give you more power, for free. And wirelessly at that with a software update.
- Not being nickle and dimed for basic things. It comes with Bluetooth phone key and NFC cards, however I ordered a passive entry key fob off their website for only $150. I can self pair it in seconds when my car comes. From BMW a key is ~$500 and stealership tries to charge you to pair it (even though you can do it yourself).
- PIN # to drive car adds extra layer of security.

Cons
- Horror stories about the service department. You can't even call the service department to make an appointment anymore, everything is app/texting driven.
- Very few body shops repair Teslas now. Shortage of parts.
- Fit and finish issues

[doberzus]

Check out this guys channel. Tons of 1/2 mile races with the M3P.He is literally killing supercars All the way up to the high triple digits. The Performance Model 3 is now seriously fast and can hang even in the half mile, after that last 5% update.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by doberzus

Check out this guys channel. Tons of 1/2 mile races with the M3P.He is literally killing supercars All the way up to the high triple digits. The Performance Model 3 is now seriously fast and can hang even in the half mile, after that last 5% update.

That vid seems like the classic example of model 3P being good from a dig but getting walked hard at high speeds.

If that was a 60 roll, seems like the Mac would have walked it easily

What am I missing, dobs?

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

That vid seems like the classic example of model 3P being good from a dig but getting walked hard at high speeds.

If that was a 60 roll, seems like the Mac would have walked it easily

What am I missing, dobs?

What you're missing is that this is a 1/2 mile race (not 1/8 or 1/4 mile). Those cars passed the M3P at close to 130MPH+. If you watch the other vids, the Hellcats and Camaro's don't even catch it. The Huracan only pulls 1.5 cars by the 1/2 mile, etc.

Point is, gone are the days of Tesla's only being fast in 1/8th mile.

I'd love to see some 60MPH rolls vs any of these cars post the 2nd 5% update.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by doberzus

What you're missing is that this is a 1/2 mile race (not 1/8 or 1/4 mile). Those cars passed the M3P at close to 130MPH+. If you watch the other vids, the Hellcats and Camaro's don't even catch it. The Huracan only pulls 1.5 cars by the 1/2 mile, etc.

Point is, gone are the days of Tesla's only being fast in 1/8th mile.

I'd love to see some 60MPH rolls vs any of these cars post the 2nd 5% update.

I don’t know of any good venues to do 60 rolls but was thinking of attending this half mile drag racing event in March

https://www.neverlifthalfmile.com

Anyone interested in attending also?

Edit: there is a Tesla SC 12 mi away from the event location, so it’s a good one to keep the battery SoC >90% for max output

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by doberzus

What you're missing is that this is a 1/2 mile race (not 1/8 or 1/4 mile)....Point is, gone are the days of Tesla's only being fast in 1/8th mile.

Though the car is definitely now quicker and faster than it originally was, IMO it's still a serious stretch to think of it being competitive with ICE vehicles above
about 110 mph.

Also I'm not a big fan of this guy's vids, as he treats these 1/2 mile runs as if they're drag-strip runs. They're not, and nobody but him is going for "reaction time" on the starter's arm-drop.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Also I'm not a big fan of this guy's vids, as he treats these 1/2 mile runs as if they're drag-strip runs. They're not, and nobody but him is going for "reaction time" on the starter's arm-drop.

You could go to some 1/2 mile events and show us how it’s done then