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      12-29-2019, 10:24 AM   #243
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Speaking to the C8's potential, R will begin to inform platform development in a few weeks. Connection between Z06 and R versions immediately stronger than previous gen due to shared powerplant (likely).
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"the performance ceiling of whatís capable from the factory out of their respective platforms." Meaning, from that platform/generation. C6 ZR1 is mentioned for context as well. Chill... Author is not denigrating Porsche.

I'm old enough to still value 997 reference points, but yes, author forgot about the 997 GT2 RS. Believe that is the only 997 gen car to go faster than the base Z51 C8, though.

As for whether any C8 will have a 991.2 GT2 RS sub-7 minute time, shouldn't for <1/3 the price. But 7:28 on PS4S and base Z51 is a proper starting point. Consider that Cup 2 R alone, which Porsche has used to break various track records, would drop that time substantially.
Lol, nice try. I had someone point out a recent dyno test on the C8 that apparently the good ole boys in Kentucky couldnít explain that seems a lot like ringer cars being sent out for tests to me. We shall see soon enough when the REAL consumer cars hit the street.

Anyhow, if those ho and tq findings on test car were accurate, Ring time would be explained as hp is somewhat king on those long and high speed straights at the Ring. Lol, Bowling Green. Not sure I would want anything coming out of that back woods, in-bred community.
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Wait, how much ho is that? Huh, something about it making more cold than hot? Seemed like some back tracking after hand caught in cookie jar.

Seriously, I am just poking fun and could care less. It is interesting though and on paper, not sure we should be seeing what we are seeing with claimed factory ratings.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ower-dyno/amp/
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Lol, nice try. I had someone point out a recent dyno test on the C8 that apparently the good ole boys in Kentucky couldnít explain that seems a lot like ringer cars being sent out for tests to me. We shall see soon enough when the REAL consumer cars hit the street.

Anyhow, if those ho and tq findings on test car were accurate, Ring time would be explained as hp is somewhat king on those long and high speed straights at the Ring. Lol, Bowling Green. Not sure I would want anything coming out of that back woods, in-bred community.
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Wait, how much ho is that? Huh, something about it making more cold than hot? Seemed like some back tracking after hand caught in cookie jar.

Seriously, I am just poking fun and could care less. It is interesting though and on paper, not sure we should be seeing what we are seeing with claimed factory ratings.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ower-dyno/amp/
lol nice try, what? You're in disagreement with?

On the off chance we're having a coherent exchange, here's an explanation for the dyno https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...and-heres-why/
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      12-29-2019, 10:01 PM   #247
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lol nice try, what? You're in disagreement with?

On the off chance we're having a coherent exchange, here's an explanation for the dyno https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...and-heres-why/
Well there was this statement . . .

. . . Unless of course MT got a special C8 Corvette to test, which we doubt.

Then they attempted to shoot MT's observations down by talking speed attained numbers on a racetrack straight between different two cars. REALLY! Candidly, that's pretty frickin dumb for a litany of reasons.

So let's take that good-ole-boy, Busch drinking Muscle Car and Truck simple minded reasoning and apply it further. Didn't the ZR1 with 755 hp hit 60 in around 2.85 on R compounds? Then we have 991 Porsche turbo with 540 hp AND AWD hitting 60 in 2.9ish? Then we have a C8 with less traction hitting 2.8 on streets with something south of 500 hp. Nah, hot cars or one helluva tail wind when they tested.

I may have misread, but wasn't MT just supposed to perform a Real MPG test, but ended up throwing it on a dyno which was not contemplated by GM?
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Lol, nice try. I had someone point out a recent dyno test on the C8 that apparently the good ole boys in Kentucky couldnít explain that seems a lot like ringer cars being sent out for tests to me. We shall see soon enough when the REAL consumer cars hit the street.

Anyhow, if those ho and tq findings on test car were accurate, Ring time would be explained as hp is somewhat king on those long and high speed straights at the Ring. Lol, Bowling Green. Not sure I would want anything coming out of that back woods, in-bred community.
What was that line you said to me a few posts a go. Great contributions say more about you........
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lol nice try, what? You're in disagreement with?

On the off chance we're having a coherent exchange, here's an explanation for the dyno https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...and-heres-why/
Can you juice a ringer NA motor that much? Honest question, what would GM have done to get a LT2 6.2 NA V8 to make that kind of power if they did send a ringer. And not just any ringer...........
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And with just a little bit of research MT admits they did the test wrong. Kudos to them for admitting it at least.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ults-followup/
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And with just a little bit of research MT admits they did the test wrong. Kudos to them for admitting it at least.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ults-followup/
Thank you brother! Mystery solved!

Lol, all of this is simple minded entertainment to me. I could give a hoot if the Vette had 500 hp or 1,000 hp or did the Ring in 6:00 flat. My car purchasing decisions focus on other factors.

My all time favorite car, and just picked up my third street 458 last month (as opposed to. Hallnge), is the 458. The 458 is not the quickest to 60 or fastest around the Ring, but I donít care. I love the way it looks, drives and sounds. It is the perfect sports car to me.

My next favorite is the 2012 GTS I just picked up. I dumped my 2017 991.2 Turbo to go back in time to a slower, older 997.2. Again, it ainít the quickest or the fastest on a race track, but it is comfortable and a joy to drive on public streets as a daily driver.

For track duty, got my Challenge. The C8 could cost 25 cents and I still wouldnít give up any car I currently have for it.
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      12-30-2019, 06:49 AM   #252
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Thank you brother! Mystery solved!

Lol, all of this is simple minded entertainment to me. I could give a hoot if the Vette had 500 hp or 1,000 hp or did the Ring in 6:00 flat. My car purchasing decisions focus on other factors.

My all time favorite car, and just picked up my third street 458 last month (as opposed to. Hallnge), is the 458. The 458 is not the quickest to 60 or fastest around the Ring, but I don’t care. I love the way it looks, drives and sounds. It is the perfect sports car to me.

My next favorite is the 2012 GTS I just picked up. I dumped my 2017 991.2 Turbo to go back in time to a slower, older 997.2. Again, it ain’t the quickest or the fastest on a race track, but it is comfortable and a joy to drive on public streets as a daily driver.

For track duty, got my Challenge. The C8 could cost 25 cents and I still wouldn’t give up any car I currently have for it.
OMG, you are so cool! Could you please go on and on more about yourself, what cars you’ve had/going to have and who you know? Plus what you think of entire populations in other areas of the country/world? It is all so interesting to read.
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Can you juice a ringer NA motor that much? Honest question, what would GM have done to get a LT2 6.2 NA V8 to make that kind of power if they did send a ringer. And not just any ringer...........
Ironically for our 458 owning, Challenge track driving, Cup racing friend, only know of one brand that's been legitimately accused of stacking the deck https://jalopnik.com/how-ferrari-spins-5760248

This is still pretty funny... "How bad has it been? I honestly don't know where to start. Perhaps the 360 Modena press car that was two seconds faster to 100mph than the customer car we also tested. You allow some leeway for "factory fresh" machines, but this thing was ludicrously quick and sounded more like Schumacher's weekend wheels than a street car. Ferrari will never admit that its press cars are tuned, but has the gall to turn up at any of the big European magazines' end-of-year-shindig-tests with two cars. One for straight line work, the other for handling exercises."
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OMG, you are so cool! Could you please go on and on more about yourself, what cars youíve had/going to have and who you know? Plus what you think of entire populations in other areas of the country/world? It is all so interesting to read.
Lol, I will keep my thoughts on Minnesotans to myself.
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Ironically for our 458 owning, Challenge track driving, Cup racing friend, only know of one brand that's been legitimately accused of stacking the deck https://jalopnik.com/how-ferrari-spins-5760248

This is still pretty funny... "How bad has it been? I honestly don't know where to start. Perhaps the 360 Modena press car that was two seconds faster to 100mph than the customer car we also tested. You allow some leeway for "factory fresh" machines, but this thing was ludicrously quick and sounded more like Schumacher's weekend wheels than a street car. Ferrari will never admit that its press cars are tuned, but has the gall to turn up at any of the big European magazines' end-of-year-shindig-tests with two cars. One for straight line work, the other for handling exercises."
That is hilarious. Dude was going off. Nevertheless, it appears quit possible to turn up the juice even on a NA engine that is already highly tweaked..

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Rumor is a 7:28 ring time on PS4S tires. Base Z51 (no wing).

Good context from the group that publicized the time:

"Officially tested by Chevrolet, a C6 Corvette ZR1 with its 638 horsepower LS9 V8 managed a 7:19.63, while German auto magazine Sport Auto managed to fire off a lap time of 7:13.90 with a C7 Z06. Just as well, the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE clocked an absurd 7:16.04 with a factory driver.

For further comparison, a 7:28.30 (factory tested) lap time puts the C8 Stingray in between the 2007 Porsche 911 GT2 (7:32) and BMW M4 GTS (7:27.88).

However, these vehicles represent the performance ceiling of what's capable from the factory out of their respective platforms. The Stingray represents the floor for the C8 program. And judging by what's coming down the pipe for the new mid-engine Corvette, that time is bound to improve radically."


Latest on the Z06 is that it will be n/a, flat-plane crank, and around 600 bhp. So, less than the C7 Z06 w/ 650.

Chevy potentially being the first to get it that after a certain amount of power is achieved, engine characteristics > engine power figures. About time somebody did. Paging M division
The real game changer will be electric motors that will offer torque vectoring and instantaneously.

They have already used aero and downforce.

Electric torque vectoring is where the next level of performance is heading.

Soon, the limiting factor will be how fast the brain can process and human reaction times.
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The real game changer will be electric motors that will offer torque vectoring and instantaneously.

They have already used aero and downforce.

Electric torque vectoring is where the next level of performance is heading.

Soon, the limiting factor will be how fast the brain can process and human reaction times.
And eventually Uncle Sam.

I'm more enthusiastic about hybrid power to correct forced induction. Too bad G80 isn't hybrid, imo.

Let's see what this n/a flat-plane crank Z06 is all about https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...s-not-the-z06/
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The real game changer will be electric motors that will offer torque vectoring and instantaneously.

They have already used aero and downforce.

Electric torque vectoring is where the next level of performance is heading.

Soon, the limiting factor will be how fast the brain can process and human reaction times.
And tire tech.
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And eventually Uncle Sam.

I'm more enthusiastic about hybrid power to correct forced induction. Too bad G80 isn't hybrid, imo.

Let's see what this n/a flat-plane crank Z06 is all about https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...s-not-the-z06/
Check out this 1200hp with 4 independent motors EV in development. Itís pretty much the idea you and tz06 are discussing.

Right now itís $1.25mm but that tech is going to trickle down for sure into the sub $100k car class. Maybe in a production version of the model s that had a massive rear diffuser, fender flares and wing, and rumored 3 motor setup?

No one has said anything about their aero setup on the c8z06. Iím hoping it will have aero tech like on the Performante Lambo models (or better yet, just strap on the stuff from the racecar... make the front splitter a trunk kit and allow for the suspension adjustability to set the ride height and alignment the same as c8r...)
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Check out this 1200hp with 4 independent motors EV in development. Itís pretty much the idea you and tz06 are discussing.

Right now itís $1.25mm but that tech is going to trickle down for sure into the sub $100k car class. Maybe in a production version of the model s that had a massive rear diffuser, fender flares and wing, and rumored 3 motor setup?

No one has said anything about their aero setup on the c8z06. Iím hoping it will have aero tech like on the Performante Lambo models (or better yet, just strap on the stuff from the racecar... make the front splitter a trunk kit and allow for the suspension adjustability to set the ride height and alignment the same as c8r...)
Yeah, things could get nutty... The cheapening of horsepower is happening. Characterful engines are on the way out.

Couldn't agree more on development direction for the C8 Z06. They need to hand over the reigns to Corvette Racing, tell them to beat everything, and get the eff out of the way. Throw a few airbags in and call it good. Chevy performance products have been unrestrained and nuts in recent times. Hope they don't come to their senses now, with this platform.
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