M3/M4 vs. Tesla Model 3 Performance

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Serious question: How many more "...top end mph" would satisfy you?

Never enough. Im trapping 130 in my M3 right now.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by EricSMG

Guess I need to drive one because I can't see how a dead silent car with a bottom heavy power curve would be satisfying other than doing 0-60 sprints (which I would not be interested in).

The engine is the heart of a performance car and so isn't something critical missing here? Further, doesn't the steep power drop off really become apparent at higher speeds? The F80 is just warming up at 60mph and pulls really hard at any mph even though the Telsa will destroy it off the line.

Serious questions here - are these cars actually fulfilling beyond quick sprints? I can see the allure of instant power but give it to me straight here.

Yes it does fall off hard on its way to top speed but its a very smooth transition. It feels like a tuned m3 below 100 and a stock 340 above. You stop feeling that roller coaster feeling around 70 mph. The throttle response is what has me hooked. Its also not dead silent the motors do make a satisfying hum when wot. I do wish it was louder even if its fake like the taycan.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Never enough. Im trapping 130 in my M3 right now.

Sounds like you need a Taycan!

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Sounds like you need a Taycan!

I would like a taycan version of the tesla. Im leasing so hopefully something comes out within 3 years.

[doberzus]

It's coming, guys. This thing just keeps getting better. Tons of useful updates including 5% MORE power!

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by doberzus

It's coming, guys. This thing just keeps getting better. Tons of useful updates including 5% MORE power!

Wonder how much power is left

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by EricSMG

Guess I need to drive one because I can't see how a dead silent car with a bottom heavy power curve would be satisfying other than doing 0-60 sprints (which I would not be interested in).

The engine is the heart of a performance car and so isn't something critical missing here? Further, doesn't the steep power drop off really become apparent at higher speeds? The F80 is just warming up at 60mph and pulls really hard at any mph even though the Telsa will destroy it off the line.

Serious questions here - are these cars actually fulfilling beyond quick sprints? I can see the allure of instant power but give it to me straight here.

Eric, my old 911 traps in the 125mph range, has hydraulic steering, great exhaust sound from aftermarket race cats and exhaust , cup 2 tires, and 33xx lb weight.

It’s almost always on a trickle charger due to model 3P being so fun on public roads.

YMMV, and EV are here to stay so don’t rush into it. The EV will just keep getting faster better and cheaper.

[SflBimmer8484]

new update is out with 5% increase. First draggy results 0-60 is in but not the best comparison.

Previous firmware 0-60 in 3.41 90% soc

New update 0-60 3.4 60% soc

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/4169218/

[Aaaaaaaaa]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Wonder how much power is left

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[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by NUTScapes

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[doberzus]

My X3M Comp vs a buddies M3P. Some side notes:

His car has upgraded heavy wheels+wide heavy tires
Upgraded suspension (heavier?!)
He has about 100+lbs on me
SOC on Tesla was 80-85%

He got the jump on the 1st run. I got an ever so slight jump on the next. The rolls are legit. The long dig run I got up to 130+ and surprised by how much pull the S58 has over 100+

We will rerun after the Tesla 5% power upgrade.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by doberzus

...My X3M Comp vs a buddies M3P...

We will rerun after the Tesla 5% power upgrade.

Nice.

Owners are reporting a bit more than 3 tenths quicker to 100 mph with the latest Tesla software upgrade, so about 3 car lengths at that speed.

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Nice.

Owners are reporting a bit more than 3 tenths quicker to 100 mph with the latest Tesla software upgrade, so about 3 car lengths at that speed.

Yeah, I heard. 0-100 times went from 7.8s to 7.5s. That’s solid AF. We can expect more 11.4 quarter mile times.

Have you got your update yet? Still impatiently waiting for mine.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by doberzus

My X3M Comp vs a buddies M3P. Some side notes:

His car has upgraded heavy wheels+wide heavy tires
Upgraded suspension (heavier?!)
He has about 100+lbs on me
SOC on Tesla was 80-85%

He got the jump on the 1st run. I got an ever so slight jump on the next. The rolls are legit. The long dig run I got up to 130+ and surprised by how much pull the S58 has over 100+

We will rerun after the Tesla 5% power upgrade.

Damn that x3m can launch . Out of all his races it looks like the x3m is the best match for the p3d.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by Andrew@ActiveAutowerke

Damn that x3m can launch .

Yep, when launch control works correctly.

On the street, stoplight to stoplight, it wouldn’t have a chance though.

Car and Driver’s “rolling start 5-60 mph” shows 3.7 seconds for the Tesla and 4.6 for the X4M Competition - that’s a big gap.

[SflBimmer8484]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Yep, when launch control works correctly.

On the street, stoplight to stoplight, it wouldn’t have a chance though.

Car and Driver’s “street start 5-60 mph” shows 3.7 seconds for the Tesla and 4.8 for the X3M.

That second launch they look to be almost identical to 60. Very impressive

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Yep, when launch control works correctly.

On the street, stoplight to stoplight, it wouldn’t have a chance though.

Car and Driver’s “rolling start 5-60 mph” shows 3.7 seconds for the Tesla and 4.6 for the X4M Competition - that’s a big gap.

It works each and every time without any hiccups. The problem is timing it just right. It either bogs because you didn't build enough boost, or the brakes cannot hold it. One of the most annoying LC systems I have experienced.

The best run on the Dragy the X3M got was 4.02 sec 0-60 w/out 1ft rollout (3.77 with rollout) His M3P's best 0-60 w/out rollout is 3.56

This run I ran a 12.06@116 via Dragy. The S58 pulls like a freight train above 100.


I've yet to test my own M3P. Soon...

[Tall Tom Cruise]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Yep, when launch control works correctly.

On the street, stoplight to stoplight, it wouldn’t have a chance though.

Car and Driver’s “rolling start 5-60 mph” shows 3.7 seconds for the Tesla and 4.6 for the X4M Competition - that’s a big gap.

Dude, you're really a broken record on this. Believe me -- everyone on here is fully aware that (with some exceptions) nothing can beat the model 3 p from a stoplight to 80 or so.

I'll admit it is the perfect car for one's wife.

[ZCD1]

Originally Posted by doberzus

It works each and every time without any hiccups. The problem is timing it just right. It either bogs because you didn't build enough boost, or the brakes cannot hold it. One of the most annoying LC systems I have experienced.

Not trying to be difficult here, but you sort of contradicted yourself there, no?

If it works "...without any hiccups...", then you wouldn't have to worry about "timing it just right"... Right?

I understand that it activates every time, but a launch control that requires that much finesse to use isn't really that useful.

My previous DD also had L/C. It was a fun party trick, but ironically was all but useless at a drag strip. There was a pause between releasing the brake and the car actually starting to move, making a good reaction time virtually impossible. On top of that, it was so violent that it would often break traction even on a prepped surface. So, it was fun for making passengers gasp, but not much else.

The L/C you describe doesn't sound a whole lot better...

[doberzus]

Originally Posted by ZCD1

Not trying to be difficult here, but you sort of contradicted yourself there, no?

If it works "...without any hiccups...", then you wouldn't have to worry about "timing it just right"... Right?

I understand that it activates every time, but a launch control that requires that much finesse to use isn't really that useful.

My previous DD also had L/C. It was a fun party trick, but ironically was all but useless at a drag strip. There was a pause between releasing the brake and the car actually starting to move, making a good reaction time virtually impossible. On top of that, it was so violent that it would often break traction even on a prepped surface. So, it was fun for making passengers gasp, but not much else.

The L/C you describe doesn't sound a whole lot better...

I did not contradict myself. I stated that the actual LC works and is useful *if you time it right. Which turned out to be very useful for these sort of races.

I also mentioned that it’s incredibly annoying to use, unfortunately. Compared to the Tesla’s “stomp n go” approach, what isn’t? After a couple practice runs it turned out to be very useful as it pulled the M3P from a dig all the way up to 130+. This was my first race with the car, so moving forward I can time things better.

Admittedly, I did get a slight jump on the 2nd run. Which makes a big difference, believe it or not. He got a massive jump on the 1st as I waited too long to build boost.

You can’t discredit that the X3M launches hard. Sure, it’s not as easy as the Tesla’s. However, if need be it has the capability to do some damage from a dig... which it did in this run. Without the LC start the X3M would have no chance. That would be the case for almost any ICE car.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Tall Tom Cruise

the model 3 p ...

I'll admit it is the perfect car for one's wife.

You know what's funny, you're absolutely right.

My wife took a hard pass on taking on our F80 (obnoxious noise, DCT) as her daily driver but she really likes the model 3 A LOT (quietness, ease of operation)

EDIT: dobs, can X3M be adjusted with more front camber so it can be tracked? Or will it toast front tires really quickly

[turboawdfanatic]

Originally Posted by Tall Tom Cruise

I'll admit it is the perfect car for one's wife.

Originally Posted by nicknaz

You know what's funny, you're absolutely right.

My wife took a hard pass on taking on our F80 (obnoxious noise, DCT) as her daily driver but she really likes the model 3 A LOT (quietness, ease of operation)

My wife has never driven my cars because they’ve all been manual. that and she knows if something were to happen she’d never hear the end of it lol. But if I can get her to drive my performance model 3....maybe she’ll want to keep it and I can get the g80 m3 awd if/when it comes out. Then I can have best of both worlds.