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I wonder if Everyday Driver will do a new ICON film adding the G8x to the mix? In my opinion that was a better review of all the generations of the M3 (before the G8x).
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06-11-2021, 01:56 AM | #24 |
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I read all the comments in the thread and agree with many, but honestly couldn't watch the review itself. Completely put off from the beginning where Cammisa spit (into the face of viewers). It's gross!
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This is the fundamental sticking point. Cammisa then transitions into how the new 3 series is larger, more insulated, heavier, nothing like the past platforms. The question in the review then was whether the M3 iteration would maintain its M DNA.
Credit M Division. Their engineers pulled it off with spec tires, tweaked suspension and a revised power plant, in the face of more cost cutting measure from management (ZF). But there is the a fundamental shift here. The size, insulation, weight, and tech do dads have increased and are here to stay, and the new M3 lacks the rawness, involvement and just overall dimensionality of the prior old M3s. If any here haven’t seen the new G 3 series up close, I urge you to take a look. Go to the local BMW dealership and play a game of what’s a 3 and a 5. The M2 is now the old M3. All we need now is a sedan version to make the transition complete. Quote:
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06-11-2021, 09:49 AM | #27 |
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I think the biggest kicker is that Randy Pobst said the G8x is the best handling BMW he's driven in over 10 years. I don't fault any of you F8x owners for having an affection for your cars but the reality is that the G8x is a better track car and better daily driver. It's simply a better car. I realize this post won't be well received but sometimes the truth hurts.
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Of course BMW is going to make sure the new M3/M4 is faster around a track then previous model. This is what they do! |
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The truth is VERY easy to discern without any rose tinted glasses on. The enthusiast following, sales data and aftermarket availability tell you from a brand belief, enthusiasts love the f8x and it’s been a success. No one in their right mind is saying the new m3 won’t have better performance on track with most if not all. I’m not sure who you and the like are preaching to. What you are consistent with is ignoring the biggest piece of the equation here, the owners connection to the overall offering. Lesser performance be damned, people love their f8x. People will likely love the g8x but for DIFFERENT reasons. Instead we go round and round spouting the same sewage from thread to thread looking to change the hearts and minds of the other camp. Stop. Just stop |
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The f80 looks better and has a DCT which feels raw & snappy.
The g80 wins in every other category, although not by a huge margin. Straight line is actually closer than you'd think, but the g80 is a better handling car. But you can pickup a used F8x m3/m4 for under $50k which is a bargain (prob is gonna bottom out at 30-35k) compared to a 80-90k G80 which will be worth 50-55k in like 3 years. |
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no m3 was the 'best' imo. they all did different things. I had a e36, 46, and f80. with a good amount of seat time in the e92.
The best M3 for me would be an F80 with the S65 or shelby voodoo. Turbos just give more drawbacks than benefits for me. You get better mpg, more outright power, less weight... but you lose responsiveness and sound.
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06-13-2021, 10:13 PM | #41 |
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The G8x is better in pretty much every performance metric. No argument from me, or most for that matter. This not shocking considering that every generation of the M3 has improved upon the previous generation's performance. BMW would not have let the car go into production if this was not the case. Performance aside, the G8x still looks like partial birth abortion, and yes...this is pretty much universally accepted by most enthusiasts who don't have rose colored glasses. It's not the kind of car you are going to turn around and look at as you are walking away. The F8x is.
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The real test for the G8X will come with sale numbers once chip shortage is not as big of a issue in a year or so. By that time we will also know how many people continue to enjoy it or dump it for a G87 or something else. I have a feeling a G8X M3/M4 will get boring fast for most enthusiast that picked Auto/comp.
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For me it speaks volumes that G80 is heavier, torque converter, more power, and floating caliper, it's literally all I really need to know.
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