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And If the M3 was that close to production the prototypes wouldn't have so much camo on still. It would for sure have much less camo and already showing in many colors if production is just 6 months away. |
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03-16-2012, 12:59 PM | #25 | ||
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Just take one look at the current f80 prototypes stage will tell you production can't be 6 months away. It's way too early in development still. And consider what needs to happen in the next 6 months if production is really this September -- a concept F80 has to debut first at an autoshow, then production version has to debut at auto show, and then worldwide press drives. There's just the NY show next month and then no shows until the Fall. So It's easy to see how impossible this timing is. Thanks to kueks for sharing but just think about this timing. Its just impossible. |
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Matt Russell said no new M3 until 2013. For the North American market. What kueks is saying is 2013 spring availability (possibility European availability) of the new M3. Current rumors are that NA availability would trail after European delivery. Still seems pretty darn compressed in terms of timelines. Ah, kueks, you can't just drop a little bomb and leave. How certain are you of this? More crumbs please... pretty please. |
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Active Sound Design was designed to comply with European noise emission regulations. They simply can't make the cars as loud on the outside as they used to be and so they're trying to make up for that with this system. Regardless of the manufacturer all designers are going to have to get creative with ways to pipe sound into the interior while keeping exterior noise low.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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I think BMW should take a lesson from the Active Sound in the new M5 and get rid of it now. People are already starting to deactivate it. It was a bad idea.
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04-29-2012, 08:28 PM | #34 | |
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It's not practical to deactivate it because doing so also deactivates the entire audio system.
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04-30-2012, 05:54 PM | #35 | |
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It would be awesome to try out some blind tests so everybody could calm the fuck down and see the results that way. I bet this technology will be great in the future.
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I bet someone will figure out how to code it to off... and put a real exhaust on in it's place.
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05-03-2012, 05:42 AM | #37 |
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Let's just be glad there is still real engine sound (maybe combined with speaker sound).
Some day in the future, when we all run on electric cars, there will be no more engine sound, just speaker sound. But I pray not to see this day |
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05-05-2012, 04:00 PM | #39 | |
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and if the car didn't have this technology and the M5 was too quiet in the cabin everyone would complain that there's not enough engine sound inside the car. Although from the comparison video it was hard to tell much difference. I doubt the M3 will get this and if it does I wouldn't care. |
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05-08-2012, 02:18 AM | #40 | ||
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Active sound is trying to be everything to everyone. Dead quiet when driving non-aggressively and having a nice sound level and sound quality when driving aggressively. There may also be an attempt to make the engine sound more NA and less FI. Nothing wrong with wanting this type of acoustic performance, its just beyond cheesy and fake as to how they chose to engineer this "solution".
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Nobody uses a Ferrari to cruise to work in the morning, and back home in the evening. They have a lazy (and quiet) Mercedes diesel to commute to work. And they run their Ferrari only in the weekend. These days BMW M cars have to do both. Provide the luxury and ease of a daily driver for commuting back and forth to work, and provide fun, sportyness and thrills in the weekend. So compromises have to be made. But if active sound design helps to provide both, then that's absolutely OK with me. |
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05-08-2012, 06:43 PM | #42 | |
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And remember, no one NEEDS 560hp M5 to drive to work either, it's a choice, and it's not a choice to accept a fake soundtrack in place of a proper engine tune on a M which used to stand for Motorsport! And anyone that is ok with AS is a poseur/fanboy that would be crucifying MB, Audi, Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini if they tried this fake sh*****! Let's keep it real, if we can't criticize BMW when they are wrong then there is something wrong and we've become sheep.
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This comparison is not to compare the type of car, purpose, power level or any thing else other than to show some of the arguments about the heavy hand of governments "forcing" companies to do things is incorrect.
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