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10-04-2012, 04:02 PM | #46 | |
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Then the M3 started dominating all comparison tests. May I also mention that: 1) The new V8TT "only" has 53hp more than old V10 but weighs significantly more. Anyone seen how the V8TT annihalates the V10? Let's not underestimate what 100 ft-lbs more torque and a couple of 100 lbs less weight can do. 2) How ridiculously underrated BMW turboed engines are from factory. My point is, we should be applauding that they are using the E46 M3 as the weight benchmark, and hope to god that there are no heat and HFPF issues.
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Over a year??! The anticipation of this car is going to kill me. I have no doubt that its going to blow our minds away once its complete and in production form. None of the M3's has disappointed, yet.....
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Difference between E46 330i and E46 M3 was staggering in terms of everything. E90 a bit less difference and now F30 vs F80...ehhh. At some point you find an optimal "price/smile per mile" ratio. For us non-millioners, $60k extra to go from '07 335i simply isn't worth the jump. That money will buy certified 997. Just sayin'... |
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No excuses - Lighter and powerful M3/M4
Guys, no excuses like (technology required nowadays for new cars may increase wheigh - look at PORSCHE new cars... lighter AND powerful... engineers should work like it at BMW...
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Here are some random numbers and guesses I am pulling out my ass. I do think these are reasonable though 450 hp 380 lb ft 7500 rpm red line from a turbo 3.2l I6 3550 lbs Active diff like on the M5/6 65k base in the US and fully loaded a bit over 80k (no ceramics if this car even is offered it) |
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The weight drop sounds Great!! Anything under 450 HP would be very sad. And 395 lb-ft is nothing to get impressed by IMO. My N55 with a Dinan Stage Two tune has 401 lb-ft...
I realise we will be able to go aftermarket for better tune, but I sure hope BMW bring some decent HP numbers to the plate considering whats out there today. We have lots of options...
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You all know BMW. This car will be engineered, balanced, tested and likely, superb. They told you it will have similar power to the old one but 100 MORE LB-FT of torque while weighing somewhere (reasonably) between 100-200lb+ LESS. This will be a fast car. As far as handling? Let's just remember that the E46 M3 did the same on the skidpad as the current 328i. I feel like I'm not the only one who is not concerned about holding his breath. |
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curb weight close to the E46 M3 my ass..
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Its funny all the people complaining about not getting 450hp. Don't forget that the E36 M3 had "only" 240hp, yet today, nearly 20yrs after its inception it is still lauded as one of the best handling cars ever made.
The E92 may have had 414hp, but its competition (C63, RS4/5) had more ponies and torque when the E92 was brand new. And it still beat them in performance. Even now, 6yrs after the E92 has been introduced, the meager 414hp is STILL able to compete with (and in some instances beat) the current C63, Boss 302, and other cars in its segment that are way up on power. An M car isn't only about power, its about feel, and the complete package that BMW delivers of perfection through sheer work of superior engineering. Now don't get me wrong, 450hp would be pretty nice, and I would love to see a bump in power in the new one. However, it isn't really NECESSARY if the new M3/4 is gonna drop 300lbs and gain 100ftlbs. In the face of all the complaints, just think about this: when has the M division disappointed us? |
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