09-23-2013, 12:14 PM | #24 |
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I'll judge when a dyno appears!
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09-23-2013, 12:16 PM | #25 |
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With the bump in torque and small bump in power aslong as it loses 100lbs it's probably .5sec faster in 1/4
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09-23-2013, 12:19 PM | #28 |
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Hi Jason, are we going to find out more about the actual powerplant this week? I am referencing this:
"Please see the following thread for details and for more technical coverage of the F80 M3 / F82 M4 this week." |
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09-23-2013, 12:20 PM | #29 |
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09-23-2013, 12:21 PM | #30 |
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Sub'd! Exciting news!
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09-23-2013, 12:23 PM | #31 |
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+1. If it is underrated like the 1M, it will be a minimum 450 hp anyway with a minimum 400tq. Stock 1M was advertised as 335hp (340ps) and 369tq where nobody has seen anything less than 350-360hp and 400tq, and usually more than those were on tap.
If the powerplant is overall like the 1M's N54T in character but with an extra 80ish peak hp, and a rev limiter cutting in at least 500 rpms later (7500 or higher) plus an even better throttle response, then it is going to be a much better performer than the previous M3 since the car will weigh less too. Important is if the engineers still prefered a low and mid range capable engine like the 1M (works good overall but may not be enough for S65 veterans) or if they extended the juice higher up as well; this and giving it a sharp throttle and a special exhaust note would suffice. I am way much more curious about how it will drive, handle and feel.
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I can see the same ~100lbs reduction as in the F30/F32 but not 300lbs in the "regular" model, though. |
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09-23-2013, 12:38 PM | #33 |
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Next thing it will be announced that the M4 will weigh 3500 and these same HP nuts will say "well BMW always overrates its curb weight, its more like 3300lbs in real life!!".
Why cant you guys just take the numbers for what they are? |
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09-23-2013, 12:42 PM | #34 |
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If this engine is rated as conservatively as all the other BMW petrol turbo engines have been, it is going to be one hellacious power plant.
There has been a lot of speculation as to why BMW is publishing such conservative numbers. It reminds me of about 30 years ago when no manufacturer would publish a horsepower spec over 300 for fear the insurance companies would spank them.
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It does not mean that it will be the case with the new engine, just that it is possible. More important is the weight, feel of the new steering, handling balance etc. No one should be worried about the engine numbers and performance since it sure will outperform the S65 underrated or not.
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Not that it matters much, but interested in whether the 425hp is SAE or DIN...would need to get to 3,350 lbs to get a power/weight ratio below 8.0 if you convert to SAE at 420 hp (M5 is 7.6-7.7).
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09-23-2013, 12:49 PM | #37 |
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Booya. Reasonable numbers and should be way more than enough power for going wild on the streets. I bet curb wt will be just shy of 3500 lbs. Anyone who thinks it will be 3300 lbs is fooling themselves.
Honestly I'm more interested in the new performance features than the engine. It will have more than ample power but what about everything else? Suspension, brakes, cooling, ride comfort, interior materials... |
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I am happy with the information and I am glad that concrete details are starting to come out. I can't wait to see what people say after they get a chance to be a passenger in the vehicle. This is a great start to the week and thank you Jason for keeping us in the loop.
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I am ok with the HP number but I was hoping for a little more tq. Hopefully those numbers are conservative. That being said, this is going to be crazy with a tune!!!
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