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Looking forward to more details on the car. I'm happy with the power number, mostly the tq. As for tunes, I don't think right now that's valid to bring up because watch BMW come out with something like Audi's TD1 codes where they void your powertrain warranty if any tune is detected and people start getting hit with huge repair bills unrelated to tunes. I've seen it happen first hand with Audi's. Also it will be a decent amount of time before anyone has the resources to start toying with these to make a tune.
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Will be tough to get that boosted HP and not deal with heat issues and performance consistency given what's already happening with FI M-cars. With exception of guys who track them, for most prob won't matter. But agree that around an 8.0 lbs/hp doesn't look as interesting as some of the earlier speculation (around 7.6-7.7) and makes a trade up to the new model a little less compelling on the margin (however, the more I see the F80 M3 sedan looks wise, the more I like it).
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we know that torque will decline as RPMs go up, because if they don't, that would indicate that the engine reaches peak power (the 425 hp) at 6,032 RPMs. much more likely is that the torque will slowly fall and continue to drive peak HP up. someone smarter than I could plot the slope of that line with better speculation. |
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Given the size of the motor and the current pôwer levels I doubt we will see huge numbers from just a flash
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Lets give them credit. They know where MBZ will be with the next C63, as well as Audi with the RS5. They'll be well prepared. At the end of the day, the power figures only mean so much. It's the performance, and the driving experience that will matter. I'd much rather it have "only" 425 HP, but have great steering feel and precision, and controlled body movement, which are more BMW M hallmarks than max HP is.
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E90/92 weighs around 3700lbs and to reduce that to 3300lbs is wishful thinking. More realistic is around 3500lbs IMO |
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In the end, I have enough confidence in BMW M to say that I would/will probably buy the thing sight-unseen. BMW M has knows what the industry and its competitors are doing. The good thing about BMW is they have been the trend setters and benchmark of the industry rather than chasing other brands. There has not been a bad M3 yet and I dont anticipate then they would allow the launch of the M4 to deviate from this perfect record.
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When US 335i owners said that we were criticized, now cause its an M3 adding a tune is ok. Smh
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Have not been a fan of their turbo motors even to this day in any form. The e9x m3 was supposed to be lighter too, and its not. Im assuming they mean a base car with no options will be lighter than a fully loaded e9x m3. Im sure theres some type of semantic approach to that claim. |
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Torque is what makes driving fun in the real world, at least in the US! Just have to shift at lower revs to keep it in the peak torque range. I had an E92 M3 and then a Z4 35is, and the Z was more fun in real world driving, in spite of the clear advantage the M3 had in braking, balance and handling in general. Some seem to forget we are not driving at Road Atlanta every day! This car should be a blast!
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425 hp is allright, personaly me, never thoutght it's gonna be more than this, another thing is torque.
But at the end of the day the most important thing for me is, how it drives,how it sounds,and how involving it's gonna be. i really hope that bmw will make redline 8000rpm,cause it's one of the things i miss now in my 335,steering is also very important,turbo lag and throttle response aswell. Must admitt that sound of m5/m6 is a mistake, M3/M4 must sound unique!!! And what concerns hp and tq numbers, i don't worry at all,cause having a turbo engine it's much easier to extract power!!!
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No possible way this car weighs what a 911 or vette weighs. I mean, even a 458 italia is 3400-3500 lbs. I dont see a the M3/4 being anwhere within 150 lbs of this weight. As I said in my previous post, there is probably some kind of semantic approach to that (i.e. no options). The f30 335 is ~35XX lbs, and the M3/4 will get more beefed up components to add weight and likely add more than they save. My pure guess, 3600-3650 fully loaded. Last edited by Wolfinwolfsclothing; 09-23-2013 at 01:38 PM.. |
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That is incorrect. Non M cars with the N54 also had underrated HP levels.
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Jason thanks
slightly nervous that BMW might have undercooked the car if thats the case but as with everything don't judge it until you've driven it.
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One piece of the puzzle in place, thanks Jason. Will reserve judgement until we have weight and other necessary figures to complete the performance picture.
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The Porsche C2S has 395hp and weighs ~1400kg Unladen. The F8X has 425hp and is rumoured to be ~1500kg Unladen. I don't expect performance to be an issue.
It will likely be very,very fast and spank the E9X M3 as well as the M5/M6 thouroughly on a track. It remains to be seen how exciting it is. |
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