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      05-23-2020, 05:23 PM   #23
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You better have picked option 5 OP!!
Yes ofcourse haha!
I was just a bit shocked at first that they would ask ///M owners such a dumb question.

Basically soon we will have ///M3 with no manual, no DCT, no RWD and not even a damn 6cyl engine.
How much more watered down can they take M before everyone realizes its a joke?
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      05-23-2020, 05:28 PM   #24
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I think that the previous question was whether you would prefer a 4-cylinder plug-in hybrid or a 4-cylinder with a gas generator engine that would only charge the batteries, kind of like the i3 with the Range Extender option. I said that I might chose the plug-in hybrid so I think I got the above question.

The survey was definitely geared towards gauging reaction to a 4-cylinder hybrid M4.

I have a 6.3kW ground-mount solar array and two Tesla Powerwall 2 batteries, so I'm definitely interested in some type of plug-in vehicle when the M4 gets replaced, or kept as a weekend-only car.
Yes like I mentioned in 1st post there was same scenario but with a 4cyl plug-in hybrid. They didn’t offer any scenario for pure EV possibility though. I guess that is strictly for i brand cars.

Anyway im keeping my F80 for awhile and need to make more $$$ asap to buy new GT3 with NA flat 6 while they still exist.
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I'm all in for not fucking up the planet. I live in Florida and still have all oem emission control devices installed, but that is just too freaking funny!!!
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This is the scenario with a plug-in which offers same acceleration as 6cyl:



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It's the weight gain that's more concerning than anything - I'm assuming that they are looking hard at the new 4cyl from Mercedes, but I'm not sure we're talking the same level between the A45 AMG and an M3 car....

Be a different story if it was a M1 (or whatever they'd call it these days) or the M2 variant. Let's get the weight down and RWD instead of AWD too. (All that to say, the Focus RS I had was probably the most "hero" car I've owned out of the last 4. It felt fast enough, was super engaging to drive, and I felt like I could always throw it faster into a corner than the last time through).
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So you know how in opinion polls they say “please answer honestly, there is no right or wrong answer”.

No, this is a question where there definitely is a wrong answer.
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Well to be fair BMW somehow made the 6 cylinder sound not so great in a F8x M3/4 anyway so we already lost the big selling point of having a straight 6...

If it can be made to not sound like total shite then I could possibly be on board, but really the fact the G80 is going AWD and conventional auto is already just as off-putting to me.
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Yes ofcourse haha!
I was just a bit shocked at first that they would ask ///M owners such a dumb question.

Basically soon we will have ///M3 with no manual, no DCT, no RWD and not even a damn 6cyl engine.
How much more watered down can they take M before everyone realizes its a joke?
I don’t know why people are flipping out about this question when the first E30 M3 was a 4 cylinder and naturally aspirated at that. It was barely faster than the same gen e30 325i.

Of course that 4 cylinder M3 motor was derived from BMW’s Formula 1 engine so it was a pretty special motor.

Still, it is not a dumb question to ask if people would consider a 4 cylinder engine since the most iconic M3 came with a 4 cylinder.

It’s unlikely I’d buy a 4 cylinder M3 but it’s not a dumb question at all. I’m glad BMW is asking M3 owners and that may impact their decision. After all this is a company that listens to their enthusiasts. The E60 M5 wasn’t going to have a manual but after lots of complaints, they relented and built a manual E60 M5 for the U.S. only. If enough negative responses are received they will ditch the 4 cylinder option.
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Why send out a survey, BMW doesn't seem to be listening to complaints from the last 8 years anyways. :

I would be incredibly interested to see the number of people who said yes (if they exist). Maybe they are the same owners who cried for less steering feel or couldn't tell whether they're car was FWD or RWD based...
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Almost all 4 cylinder engines are crap these days. They sound like crap, they feel like crap.... Just crap all around. Do you think they'll build a special high performance 4 cyl engine or just upgrade the existing off the shelf engine and call it a day just like they did with the existing M engines????

Old school exciting 4 Cyl engine days are long gone so you cannot compare the E30 at all.
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I hate four cylinders.
Option 5 all day. Seriously what the heck is going on in Germany these days. Can't they just read the COUNTLESS threads bashing AMG's decisions to make the C63 a four banger.

I don't know about you guys, but I could care less about the fuel economy. Get me a car that's fast, louder, has more HP, and I'd still buy it even if the combined MPG was like 10.

Acceleration for fuel economy is not a tradeoff that anyone should EVER make on an M car.

Honestly BMW M should fire whoever thought this was viable enough to warrant market research. They are thinking on the wrong lines. Clearly a bad culture fit on the M team.

M if you're reading this- make the car faster & louder and more HP. Plus no huge grills either.

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They did go from the 8 to a 6, so next step is 4 lol
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      05-24-2020, 04:25 AM   #35
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If they make a 4 cylinder m3 that'll be the day they lose me

You might as well just get an EV at that point. And save up for used 8 or 6 cylinder sports car.
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This is how it all ends, not with a bang, but with a 4cyl
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I received the same survey. I've been doing these for years. I don't think anything I have ever filled out on these has ever fallen my way (faster, more HP: check, hybrid: f*ck no, all wheel drive: f*ck no, CD changer: well yeah!)....I think this is BMWs way of playing the teacher asking a student a question to make a suggestion rather than get an actual answer. They are just "prepping us" clearly..."Mr. Hankey, do your parents like it when you play with your balls at home?" (trick question by the way, turns out there is no answer to that one....Yes: "well this isn't home", No: "then why would you do it here?")....god if I had a nickel for every time I had to answer that...

Porsche already did this experiment with 4 cylinders (minus the hybrid) and it was a huge miss...Result - flat 6s are back across the board. If BMW forced hybrids I'd have to go full electric. If I went full electric I'd have to go with Tesla, they've got their stuff pretty sorted out. BMW would have to invent some magic in a hybrid 4 for me.
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just retire the M brand at that point please.
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Yes ofcourse haha!
I was just a bit shocked at first that they would ask ///M owners such a dumb question.

Basically soon we will have ///M3 with no manual, no DCT, no RWD and not even a damn 6cyl engine.
How much more watered down can they take M before everyone realizes its a joke?
Well, I recall a survey on our forums said something like 10% of M3 are tracked, and I keep seeing way more posts complaining about lack of something non performance related like ventilated seats, and way too few posts wondering why something mission critical like front camber adjustment isn’t available.

So I think bmw is just giving customers what they want, and unfortunately it seems like that’s straight line power and lots of comfort features.

My $0.02 is the 4cyl should go into m2, and make that car an all out light wait track star
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this idea is AIDS.
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BMW is following MB as next C63 is going from V8 to 4cyl.....
That is still so crazy to me... they could've gone from 8 to 6 to 4 cyl over the coming years but that move is going to cost them a lot of enthusiasts. The C43 is the perfect candidate for that power plant, not the 63.

If we all think the S55 sounds terrible just imagine what the 4 cyl will sound like The M3/4 is going to be one expensive lawn mower...
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Almost all 4 cylinder engines are crap these days. They sound like crap, they feel like crap.... Just crap all around. Do you think they'll build a special high performance 4 cyl engine or just upgrade the existing off the shelf engine and call it a day just like they did with the existing M engines????

Old school exciting 4 Cyl engine days are long gone so you cannot compare the E30 at all.
Sound is suspect for sure, but there are some really good 4-cylinder engines. The 2.3L Ecoboost out of the Mustang/RS, the EA888 from many VAG cars is a stout engine - I loved it's bigger brother the 5-cyl in the RS3, and I'm waiting to see how reliable the new AMG 4-cylinder is. The amount of wizardry to put out a stock 400hp 4cyl is insane.

Yes, everything is turbo these days to give that down low grunt. You just don't see the S2000 or Integra type engines any longer.... then again, are we really seeing many high revving NA inline-6's either?
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