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      04-05-2014, 11:31 PM   #133
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right, LED tail light will just be LCI, should not be part of Competition package. My bad.
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      04-06-2014, 08:49 AM   #134
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I would not be surprised if all cars get LED tails during an LCI.

I would expect slight hp bump, lower and improved suspension and steering and a few cosmetic items. Might make CCBs mandatory plus special wheels. Exhaust would be nice and an additional ECU/TC setting.

Take a look at the M5, it should be similar to that.
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You can pretty much bet on wheels, suspension tweaks, some new software settings (incl. traction control, throttle, EPS?), and perhaps a slight horsepower bump and exhaust tweaks.

I'm hoping the package price won't top $4k.
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      04-06-2014, 01:15 PM   #135
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I would not be surprised if all cars get LED tails during an LCI.

I would expect slight hp bump, lower and improved suspension and steering and a few cosmetic items. Might make CCBs mandatory plus special wheels. Exhaust would be nice and an additional ECU/TC setting.

Take a look at the M5, it should be similar to that.
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You can pretty much bet on wheels, suspension tweaks, some new software settings (incl. traction control, throttle, EPS?), and perhaps a slight horsepower bump and exhaust tweaks.

I'm hoping the package price won't top $4k.
There's also the front splitter, rear diffuser, exhaust, and possibly new wheels. And will it require CCBs (which are $8k)? With those plus suspension mods, steering mods, modest power bump, etc., I can see it being very expensive...and awesome.
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      04-06-2014, 06:02 PM   #136
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I guess the EU model comes standard with a competition package as it's delivering 431hp on paper ...
Is it because of the US emission laws?
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      04-06-2014, 06:27 PM   #137
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I guess the EU model comes standard with a competition package as it's delivering 431hp on paper ...
Is it because of the US emission laws?
Power is the same for US or EU cars.

In the USA we use SAE Hp.

In Europe they use DIN PS.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5845776_convert-din-hp-sae.html
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      04-10-2014, 12:48 PM   #138
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Competition Package... patience is a Virtue?

How many of you are patient enough to wait for a Competition Package? The minimal HP increase from the E90 hints that BMW is intentionally holding back. Yes, I know the focus has been on weight reduction and torque increase. But I sense that something is brewing in Bavarian country. The question is whether one can wait an additional 6-12 months for such a wildcard.

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      04-10-2014, 01:05 PM   #139
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I think it's going to be longer than 6-12 months.
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      04-10-2014, 01:15 PM   #140
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I'm trying really hard to wait for the CP and lci. But I don't know if I'll be able to contain myself once these hit the streets. I might have to pick up an e92 to keep me occupied for a while.
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I'm not but I'll happily trade my M4 in for the competition package version. That is if the M2 isn't out by then.
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      04-10-2014, 01:32 PM   #142
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      04-10-2014, 01:34 PM   #143
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How many of you are patient enough to wait for a Competition Package? The minimal HP increase from the E90 hints that BMW is intentionally holding back. Yes, I know the focus has been on weight reduction and torque increase. But I sense that something is brewing in Bavarian country. The question is whether one can wait an additional 6-12 months for such a wildcard.

"Wisdom comes not from shooting everything in sight, but knowing when to pull the trigger."
I doubt it will be 6-12 months. I am betting more towards 3 years for the Comp pack.

So I will enjoy my civic M4 for 3 years and then switch when the ZCP comes out
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      04-10-2014, 01:45 PM   #144
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So I will enjoy my civic M4 for 3 years and then switch when the ZCP comes out [/QUOTE]

Geeez, 3 years???...I doubt it'll be that long. If so, it would settle that question.
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"The minimal HP increase from the E90 hints that BMW is intentionally holding back."

I doubt this is true. The S55 (M3/M4) runs a max boost of 18psi with a 10:1 compression ratio. This is exactly the same as the S63 ( M5/M6).

The S63 in competition package guise only has 15hp more than without the competition package. This make me doubt that the ZCP will bring any meaningful hp gain. I guess the main improvments will come in steering and suspension. Also cosmetics as nicer wheels and wheel gap reduction. In summary pretty standard ZCP stuff. Nice but not revolutionary or neccessary. Not worth waiting for IMO. Quality and reliability is another story, that could be worth waiting for.

Bigger power to weight gains will likely come in a GTS/CSL type of car. Lighter with more extensive engine rework, maybe bored and with larger turbos.
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So I will enjoy my civic M4 for 3 years and then switch when the ZCP comes out
Geeez, 3 years???...I doubt it'll be that long. If so, it would settle that question.[/QUOTE]

Didn't the last Comp pack come out at the same time as the LCI?
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I doubt it will be 6-12 months. I am betting more towards 3 years for the Comp pack.

So I will enjoy my civic M4 for 3 years and then switch when the ZCP comes out
this

LCI will likely be tied to the 4 series LCI, as it was for the e46 and e92 M3 (tied to 3 series coupe LCI)
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different point of view:

- many M cars are lease cars. BMW bank / dealers bear residual value risk.
- bringing out a comp. pack. with large HP increase lowers residual values of pre CP cars, because most M buyers always go for max. HP.

BMW / dealers can not want that.
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      04-10-2014, 02:16 PM   #149
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LCI will likely be tied to the 4 series LCI, as it was for the e46 and e92 M3 (tied to 3 series coupe LCI)
yes M4 but the M3 should be tied to the F30 LCI, that is the way the E90 was. That is what I am waiting for and hopefully it is next year. Comp package is probably 4 years out? Basically middle of the m3/m4 run unless the reviews pan it and they need to rush it.
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I doubt it will be 6-12 months. I am betting more towards 3 years for the Comp pack.

So I will enjoy my civic M4 for 3 years and then switch when the ZCP comes out
probably doing the same

If I do that though I want ED invoice and will probably pick up some sick individual frozen paint
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yes M4 but the M3 should be tied to the F30 LCI, that is the way the E90 was. That is what I am waiting for and hopefully it is next year. Comp package is probably 4 years out? Basically middle of the m3/m4 run unless the reviews pan it and they need to rush it.
not really

only the tail lights. not the zcp package or the standard m button etc. that all came in 2011 when the e92 was LCI
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Hey I see you also made the jump from a stage 2 STi to an M3. It was fun while it lasted, but I am so ready for refinement and quality
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      04-10-2014, 02:42 PM   #153
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not really

only the tail lights. not the zcp package or the standard m button etc. that all came in 2011 when the e92 was LCI
and updated Nav which was the E90 LCI. Only thing they did not update was the front end since it basically was the E92 M3. As a preE90 m3 LCI owner it was decent update on a 1 year old M3.
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and updated Nav which was the E90 LCI. Only thing they did not update was the front end since it basically was the E92 M3. As a preE90 m3 LCI owner it was decent update on a 1 year old M3.
they updated nav on all cars that year, regardless of model line.

again, im talking about the m3 model LCI which in both the e46 case and the e9x case (zcp, led tails for all models) happened at the same time as the coupe LCI.

05 for the e46 and 11 for the e9x.

this is relevant to when a potential zcp package and LCI will happen for f8x model cars.
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