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I put camber plates on my M4 and I Absouletely hated it. It made the street driving of the car so blah. Like a giant dead area in the wheel.
Soon as I reverted back to stock the car came back to life. And it was the Vorshlag or whatever you call them. Not a great option for a street/track car. |
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Sounds more like your front toe settings got messed up which happens naturally as you add camber - generally toe has the biggest impact on stability. Small changes to toe can make a very noticeable impact.
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here is my alignment specs. anything you notice or recommend changing? I mainly use the car for track but it does have to drive a long distance to get there.
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Below is the recommendation I got from Vorshlag. I started with the dual purpose setting but I now run the track setting. I have no problems on the street or with tire wear (I don't daily my M3).
These are our starting points for any alignment. These are the baseline alignment numbers we try to use before tweaking them for specific models or modifications: Dedicated track use: front camber: -3° to -3.5° front caster: between 6-7° front toe: +1/8" total toe out rear camber: -2° rear toe: 1/8" total toe in Dual purpose or street use: front camber: around -1.5 to -2.5°) front caster: between 6-7° front toe: as close to 0 as you can get, to even a little toe in rear camber: -2° rear toe: 1/8" total toe in |
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I’m surprised you’re getting an instability feeling driving in a straight line because you have a decent amount of toe-in on the front. Zero toe, or definitely toe-out, makes things feel a little unstable as well as tramline badly on worn crowned roads. Otherwise, your alignment is a conservative dual-use alignment which seems odd for a car primarily used on track. For a track biased setup but still on the conservative side, I’d recommend less total toe-in (+0.10 deg total) to zero total toe on the front, increase front camber to -3.0 deg, at minimum (wear won’t be impacted, it’s too much toe that ruins tire wear), and a little less total rear toe-in (+0.20 deg total). I’ve found -1.8 deg rear camber works well for me and it improves putting down power by increasing the rear contact patch.
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We did the alignment 2 or 3 times and it still felt like crap. It literally sucked all the enjoyment I had driving the car on the street out of it. Yeah, it was a little better on the track but not so much that it was worth decimating its street use. As soon as I went back to stock camber plates, the car immediately came back to life. Even spoke with my mechanic about it - He drove it and said, "yup, camber plates. That's what they do." |
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Looks pretty solid for a dual duty alignment. Mine is similar but with 0 toe and -3.8 front camber and slight toe-in & -2.X (forgot) rear. Admittedly mine leans more track car than dual duty now.
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Must’ve been an alignment issue(s). For example, too much toe-in will make a car not want to initially turn and handle well which would make it feel lazy and/or dead. Definitely not the camber plate itself, assuming it has no bearing and/or adjustment issues. |
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This. They are completely essential to track use and very useful with stock suspension as well
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Also, I only really hear the turbos when I'm in sport plus, so that's why I was thinking heel toe could be my best solution. P.s. I have loads of respect for people who do heel toe on track..so I plan on practicing beforehand. I'm no maniac..lol |
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With traction control on, it can seem like you have your foot to the floor coming out of a corner and the car just won't accelerate like you expect. Once it gets straightened up further out of the corner exit, then it will start accelerating. |
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OP, when I saw your post/reply I was/am thinking the same thing. Do you see a traction control light flicker? Can you try not flooring the throttle in the turn or coming out of the turn and just try to feather the throttle until the car gets straight and has a better chance of grabbing traction. These cars make big torque number and can overpower the rear tires. Have you had someone ride with you to see what they think is happening? |
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