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Ok I'll stop now
Question for the Alfa owners. Some of you answered some of my questions on the livability of the brake by wire...so some of the reviewers also talk about the very close 1-6 gear ratios. No one mentions anything about throttle sensitivity. So here's the thing - a Alfa QV would have to be something I sell to the wife as her car when her Porsche lease is up...if this thing is a jerky mess like the F82 Sport+ engine mode, then it's gonna be a non-starter. Could she stick this thing in E mode and be content? And then I'd just awaken the beast whenever I drove it? |
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12-08-2018, 02:31 PM | #115 | |
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I didn't like sport+ mode in my F80s as I considered it to be too jerky and artificial. The throttle response in all the modes in the QV feel natural/linear to me to where I never really think about it. The most noticable distinctions between the different modes are transmission shift points and logic, suspension firmness, and aggressiveness of the traction control system. |
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12-09-2018, 10:22 AM | #117 |
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Nah its all good, don't let your head swell up. This thread is about an M4 owner going to a QV, so if you thought you were gonna read something different in this thread then I don't know what to tell you. It's not about bowing down, it's just about noticing and seeing another good car along with the M3. Nothing more nothing less. Stay humble
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I’m in the same boat Darth One (I can never figure out how to tag people with spaces in their board name). If that white one at my dealer keeps dropping I’m going to try and talk the wife into it for her DD. A QV sitting next to a MT ZCP M3 would be alright! Last edited by minn19; 12-09-2018 at 11:33 AM.. |
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You could be right, but in actuality, it pulls MUCH stronger in Race. Alfa sums up the difference modes in the chart below. Out of curiosity, would like to see your source stating there is no overboost. It was my understanding that the Quadrifoglio has proven very difficult to dyno. I’ve heard of people not being able to coax full power out of it on certain dynos, but full power on others. It is like the car knows it’s on a dyno and cuts power. With that said, shoot us a link to your claim of no overboost. Kind of have to defer to the manufacturer on this one unless proven otherwise.
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With that said, I do feel the Quadrifoglio’s modes are more practical in their actual execution. For instance, the Advanced Efficiency really works versus the M3’s wallowy Comfort Mode. The one thing the M3 really has going for it though is the ability to custom tune each setting. Though, not used daily, would still be nice to have a few custom modes preset, and readily available via M1/M2 buttons. If you spend decent seat time in the Alfa test driving it as if you own it as opposed to just a 3-4 mile beat run, that’s where it will really show its true mettle. Hard to not sucked into pinning the throttle of a 505hp beast from the get go, but if you can avoid that impulse, and try it on windy back roads, traffic around town, etc., you’ll start to see why reviewers rave about the intuitive steering, balanced suspension, and rewarding overall charm. Liked the car from first ride, but really loved it after 7.5 hour ride from Boston through the heart of the Adirondacks up to the Canadian border. Just wow! Last edited by mcc3456; 12-09-2018 at 08:40 PM.. |
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I can't tell any difference between Dynamic and Race in terms of power, although Race is so much better at getting the power down. When traction becomes limited Dynamic just cuts the power where Race just seems to somehow generate huge traction where you'd expect the wheels to spin. I think it's the diff doing something clever. I rarely use Dynamic, it's a bit crap. Town and motorway is A mode, then when I get the chance it's Race and manual. The ZF is great in this mode, not quite up to a double clutch, but close. I have the same gearbox in my F31 but it feels a lot lazier, BMW needs to steal the Alfa version of the software as it's a great gearbox. |
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I have DCT in my '18 ZCP - drive the car in Sport+ throttle all the time - it is not jumpy at all (although in the 2014 non-ZCP builds it could be a little jumpy at times). Software adjustments have definitely helped this issue (making it a non-issue at least in the later-build F8x's...)
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12-12-2018, 08:29 PM | #129 | |
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My 2015 M4 pre... 2017 firmware update, Sport+ was extremely touchy on low gear 1 - 3. It was very, very annoying to drive. You can say impossible if you don't like the car jerking all over the place. But same with a few threads that have been said, it doesn't increase the HP/Torq like any other car with these types of settings. It just changes the power delivery and torque delivery so it's easier to drive from Efficient/Sport/Sport+. I would take an educated guess it is the same across all recent sports cars with these settings. Sport+ in my current 2018 M3 is easy to drive and you can very much feel how the car behaves even just going on the street. You let go of the gas, you feel it, the car won't cruise like it would in Efficient. It's an interesting feeling actually since you can "feel" the car way better.
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