B9 RS4 vs F80 M3

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by GERMAN M3

I'm with you dmboone. My cousin back home in Germany has an older model S6 Avant, and the damn thing hauls ass on the autobahn!! Have driven it several times.

Unfortunately in the US, we are addicted to SUVs - but then again, we aren't allowed to travel at Autobahn speeds...the advantages to having a wagon instead in that environment is easy to see.

[GERMAN M3]

2017 RS4 Avant.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Unfortunately in the US, we are addicted to SUVs - but then again, we aren't allowed to travel at Autobahn speeds...the advantages to having a wagon instead in that environment is easy to see.

Yup. Don't get America's fascination with SUVs. There really isn't that much more room inside when comparing cargo space between the two. Plus the ride, handling, and braking of a wagon are arguably better then that of a truck (SUV).

I would much rather have a badass sleeper wagon in the family. The wife still isn't sold on that idea so she's clinging to her 340.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yup. Don't get America's fascination with SUVs. There really isn't that much more room inside when comparing cargo space between the two. Plus the ride, handling, and braking of a wagon are arguably better then that of a truck (SUV).

I would much rather have a badass sleeper wagon in the family. The wife still isn't sold on that idea so she's clinging to her 340.

Completely agree.

The one aspect I do understand is the overall riding height - for example, my gf is pretty short (5'0") and she wanted something a little higher off the ground, so she got the Q3.

Other than that, I really don't see the appeal - the basic design of an SUV is counter intuitive to dynamics or handling...

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Completely agree.

The one aspect I do understand is the overall riding height - for example, my gf is pretty short (5'0") and she wanted something a little higher off the ground, so she got the Q3.

Other than that, I really don't see the appeal - the basic design of an SUV is counter intuitive to dynamics or handling...

Yup. Americans just want trucks. I think it's ingrained in their psyche. Haha

But seriously. I do understand that some prefer the higher ride height. I get that. I on the other hand prefer a sporty handling "race car"

Guess that's why I have an ///M4

[No Boost]

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[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yup. Don't get America's fascination with SUVs. There really isn't that much more room inside when comparing cargo space between the two. Plus the ride, handling, and braking of a wagon are arguably better then that of a truck (SUV).

I would much rather have a badass sleeper wagon in the family. The wife still isn't sold on that idea so she's clinging to her 340.

Yeah, I don't understand it either Yoda. My Mother-In-Law has a 2017 Suburban, and it's just her and my Father-In-Law.,and he has a 2015 King Ranch. I've asked her a few times why she needs such a huge vehicle....and the best response so far is.....I have to haul things around!!! What the hell are you hauling in that thing???? Personally, I believe it has to do status symbol. Makes her feel important. Lol!! Lol!!

[Ian1973]

I love the B7 RS4, best look 4 ever.

Did they confirm the wagon is coming to the US?

I won't own one of course because it's an automatic. And I'm sure the F8x will kill it. But it's not a bad alternative.

[GERMAN M3]

Unfortunately, That beast won't make it to the U.S. Ian. Would definitely pick one up if offered, but again I'm like you....it would have to be a manual.
Great looking Wagon though!

[RobbyMack]

So much want! A few years back the mrs had a job offer that would have taken us to the U.K. for at least 5 years. She ultimately turned it down for a "better" offer to stay US based (mostly we didn't want to move the kids that far from grandparents/friends). I was already communicating with a couple of guys selling rs6 Avants in and around Edinburg as I figured I'd live out my euro dream as a house husband/golf caddie with a badass wagon.

[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yup. Americans just want trucks. I think it's ingrained in their psyche. Haha

But seriously. I do understand that some prefer the higher ride height. I get that. I on the other hand prefer a sporty handling "race car"

Guess that's why I have an ///M4

I also frickin hate trucks and the people that drive . . . They are even worse . . . cancel that, almost as bad as freakin station wagons.

Lol, I sound like I need some therapy or something.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

It's a freakin station wagon. What kind of real man drives a family trickster station wagon? Seriously, station wagons are beyond bad which is why so few are made.

Fast estates are seen as pretty cool in Europe and the UK, RS4 avant/RS6 avant c63/e63 estate and the rare M5 touring are all seen as a bit of cool by enthusiasts.

People like the idea of a family 5 door 5 seater that can carry loads of stuff but still out drag that guy in his slammed M4.

The Porsche Granturismo again has had a good reception and there is history of one off and small run shooting brakes based upon higher end cars as well that always get loads of attention.

But they are still a small market and BMW have given up on them because being cool doesn't always make you money.

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by 996ttelise

I also frickin hate trucks and the people that drive . . . They are even worse . . . cancel that, almost as bad as freakin station wagons.

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[996ttelise]

Originally Posted by danniexi

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Lol, that's my wife's Macan and I apparently hate her and don't know it.

When I say trucks, I mean good ole yeahaw redneck pick up trucks. SUVs don't bother me much, especially for a holy MILF soccer mom type.

[Acturater]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yup. Americans just want trucks. I think it's ingrained in their psyche. Haha

This is right on. As an American myself, I can freely admit we like to be - and like things that are - louder, noisier, bigger, more obnoxious, look-at-me-ma... need I go on?

It's who we are. It's what we do. Murica.

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by Acturater

This is right on. As an American myself, I can freely admit we like to be - and like things that are - louder, noisier, bigger, more obnoxious, look-at-me-ma... need I go on?

It's who we are. It's what we do. Murica.

I love the middle pic that's blowing mad smoke at the Prius

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Yup. Don't get America's fascination with SUVs. There really isn't that much more room inside when comparing cargo space between the two. Plus the ride, handling, and braking of a wagon are arguably better then that of a truck (SUV).

I would much rather have a badass sleeper wagon in the family. The wife still isn't sold on that idea so she's clinging to her 340.

So, I have had 2 fairly interesting wagons... bugeye wrx and e84 x135 and frequently borrowed my brother's super interesting e63 wagon, and tracked a cts-v wagon at an event in IL

I don't get the internet fascination for these wagons. When fully loaded up with family and kids, the handling benefit is irrelevant, and when going 60-70mph the power benefit is irrelevant.

The e63 in particular was a big head scratcher for me. I'd take a tow vehicle (e.g. Base cayenne) / trailer / track car combo any day for the same money

Also, an acquaintance of mine got into a head on collision with a ram pickup while in a Camry. The car crumpled like a tin can and it is going to be a long road to walking again. If it was an x5 (or excursion...) vs Ram, he might have had more of a shot

Anyway, when x135 lease is up, I'll be looking for a bigger SUV for safety of my family + tow ability for me

No thanks on the 3900+lb Audi. I hope the f80 doesn't put on any more pork than it already has

[Acturater]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Also, an acquaintance of mine got into a head on collision with a ram pickup while in a Camry. The car crumpled like a tin can and it is going to be a long road to walking again.

Anyway, when x135 lease is up, I'll be looking for a bigger SUV for safety of my family + tow ability for me

YES! The problem was with that tiny Camry! Bigger, my man, BIGGER!! YarrrgGgHH!!

[blschaefer1]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

No thanks on the 3900+lb Audi. I hope the f80 doesn't put on any more pork than it already has

This is still ~500+ pounds lighter than an SUV with comparable utility, and will outperform them all handlily on the street. As in Porsche Cayenne. How many high end SUV's are used off road or for towing purposes? The percentage is incredibly small.

I would be all over one of these if they brought it to the US. Perfect high performance daily. Throw multiple sets of golf clubs in the rear with ease, perfect for Costco and Home Depot runs, and virtually all the performance of a high performance sedan. All wheel drive for foul weather. Plus, I happen to think they look cool. Sign me up!

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by Acturater

YES! The problem was with that tiny Camry! Bigger, my man, BIGGER!! YarrrgGgHH!!

Haha!

I am a huge fan of small cars myself (the largest car I've ever had is an X1) but yea, a Camry is tiny compared to a Full size pickup.

Since we are talking about fast daily drivers here, my vote is still for f80 to stay light and RWD, but regardless, x5m or x550 type of cars have my vote for fast DD.

The ride height helps to make sure the crash zones will take the hit on a collision and there's even more utility

[KevinM]

When I was in Germany for my ED last year, there were numerous Audi RS wagons. They certainly looked the business, and I was sad that BMW has ceded the market of high performance wagons to Audi and Mercedes.

[Evangelo2]

Just saw this in Zurich 3 weeks ago. Looked nice and mean to me