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      10-30-2016, 02:28 AM   #45
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Lemon Law. If you didn't over rev then you don't care what shows on future reports as car will be owned by BMW, not you. However as most have stated, your timeline and facts make no sense.
Which timeline? I think we're up to 3 now.
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      10-30-2016, 02:45 AM   #46
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Some posters had the "blow engine" and eventually admitted to money shifting.

That's why several people here is already questioning the OP since his timeline is iffy at best.
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      10-30-2016, 06:57 AM   #47
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If the dealer can't produce the evidence u r ok. Besides the different timelines, this member sufferd enough. So don't be so hard on him
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      10-30-2016, 07:37 AM   #48
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Definitely sounds like a money shift. Sounds like a money shift, damages like a money shift, must be a money shift. But As a side note to those who are curious, as like someone mentioned before in DCT cars you'll hit fuel cut. Can confirm as I've hit the rev limiter a few times by accident, driving in a spirited fashion. Albeit haven't done it since since hitting fuel cut freaked me out.
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      10-30-2016, 08:01 AM   #49
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Timeline discrepancies aside, it appears to me after reading your posts that:

- You are not familiar with the intricacies of how/why an overrev can occur when a car has a manual transmission, even when it has an electronic rev limiter. I.e. you need to read up on the "money shift".

- You are not aware that your car will log any overrev condition in its computer, providing solid proof of whether an overrev has occurred or not.

Or alternatively, you are very aware of these two things, but are pretending not to be.

It doesn't really matter either way. As already mentioned, the fact of the matter is that it is absolutely feasible that you overreved the engine, and furthermore that can be proven or disproven by getting an electronic report from the car itself.

So ask BMW to provide the report and/or go get it yourself from an independent shop. Then you can proceed accordingly.

Good luck.
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No offense meant but if you came on here looking for support and guidance, you are doing it wrong.

Your first post still says you bought the car in august and two weeks later the engine blew - but now you are saying it blew in October. Basic facts have been mis-stated/not lined up in a few of your posts already.

Further, the car shouldn't over-rev? YOU control the revs, not the car, in a 6mt. You can force it to over-rev. And over-revving has nothing to do with how you drive "normally". It can happen within a quarter second of picking the wrong gear.

If your communication with BMW on this matter has been as poor as your communication on here thus far, that is why your treatment has been sub par.

I wish you all the best and hope there are simply some mis-understandings here.
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      10-30-2016, 08:27 AM   #51
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$40k for an engine? It's more than half the value of the car.
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$40k for an engine? It's more than half the value of the car.
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      10-30-2016, 08:53 AM   #53
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Reading all this doesn't make sense. Time line is all over the place and avoids questions of whether it was tuned or not. Trolling his way to a $40k money shift
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regardless of where and when the car shouldn't fail on me and thats not the point lol!. i drove it smooth and not stupid at least!. and im asking for advice not for you to evaluate my driving pace...

its a 6MT
You are right. The car shouldn't failure under NORMAL driving characteristics. However, money shifting a car, is not a flaw in the car. It is a driver ERROR. Lets say you redline 3rd gear and try to shift to 4th, but accidentally put it into 2nd gear, the revlimiter cannot stop this and that is how you over rev it. If BMW says you over revved the engine. You over revved the engine.

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I swear, it seems like 90%+ of these kind of posts seem go exactly where this is headed. Funny that people still post these BS stories.

Sounds like a money shift; if BMW is taking such a hard line, I bet they have solid proof. Take the $5k and run. If, on the 1% chance BMW is completely at fault and you're not, then it's time to get a lawyer. Just my $0.02.
I agree 100%. These threads always start and end the same. Some BS story, key details left out, OP does not tell all of the facts or just flat out lies. People figure it out. OP does not respond to legit questions. Disappears and thread gets closed or never updated.
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      10-30-2016, 09:04 AM   #55
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None of this adds up but if it's true. Make the dealer show you a RPM log and make sure it's your VIN. If they don't tell them to get bent.
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None of this adds up but if it's true. Make the dealer show you a RPM log and make sure it's your VIN. If they don't tell them to get bent.
They will. If BMW truly told him he over revved it. They have the data, 100% certain. BMW will not pull a BS lie like that. If they say it over revved, it over revved.
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      10-30-2016, 09:09 AM   #57
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      10-30-2016, 09:35 AM   #58
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Sounds like a money shift to me...
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      10-30-2016, 10:16 AM   #59
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Would insurance cover a money shift event?
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      10-30-2016, 11:40 AM   #60
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Would insurance cover a money shift event?
This is a very good question and something the OP should explore. Insurance typically has an exclusion for "mechanical breakdown." However, it's meant for typical breakdowns covered by mfg's warranty, i.e. not caused by an accident (things like water pump fails, iDrive stops working on its own, etc.) Insurance companies don't want to cover these warranty type breakdowns. It is meant to cover accidental damage, i.e. typically defined to mean you accidentally hit another car or someone else accidentally hit your car. But, I would try to argue that the money shift is clearly an accident too that should be covered.

OP should submit a claim to his insurer and admit the money shift but state it was an accident (because it is an accident - no one money shifts on purpose) and see if the insurer will cover the repair costs.
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Do we know how the bmw dme report looks or if owners have successfully gotten a print out?

My understanding of the Porsche report (circa 997) is it has ranges, and ranges 1-3 overrev can happen from using the soft rev limiter for upshifts, range 5 is start of warranty void range and range 6 is valve float/definitely money shift.

In response to the others, I would try to get a car will lesser range 1-3 over rev but to some extent that's what you have to accept when getting a used sports car

Sorry OP, I think you had some hoonage going on and an aggressive downshift might have gotten you into trouble. Get the dme report then if needed lawyer up
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Something is def fishy in this story. If the story is true however, I'd contact my local media, and hire an attorney
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Do we know how the bmw dme report looks or if owners have successfully gotten a print out?
I know what it looks like, I have seen it many times. As far as the owner getting a print out, that depends on the particular situation. I will say it again. if BMW is telling you that you money shifted/over revved the car. You absolutely did and they indeed have the data to prove it. This is not some snot nosed teenage kid Tech that is saying this happened to your car. When a warranty engine claim is in question, BMW engineers get involved, all the data is stored. BMW sees it all.
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      10-30-2016, 12:24 PM   #64
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Interesting read over my morning coffee.

1.) it was a money shift

2.) BMW is not in the business of trying to screw 1 owner by saying it was a money shift (driver error) when it wasn't.

3.) OP went here as a last result hoping for some kind of magic answer, but his timelines and story went through a wood chipper.

4.) our engines are worth 40k!?!?
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One last thing - if you end up doing the work ask for your old engine back because if your throw some glass on top it could make for a cool side table.

I'm being serious.
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One last thing - if you end up doing the work ask for your old engine back because if your throw some glass on top it could make for a cool side table.

I'm being serious.
Couple reasons why this probably will not happen.

First, if for some reason it gets warrantied, the old engine goes back to BMW

Next, if he does pay out of pocket, there is a core charge on the engine itself. Only way he would be able to keep it is if he wanted to pay that core charge which sometimes are very expensive.
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