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      04-08-2020, 12:19 PM   #23
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I had a chance to flog the 992 and 991.2 GT3 at the Porsche Experience Center in Carson a couple of months ago.

-992 is a smooth operator
-It's got ridiculous straight-line speed, but it disguises its speed
-Sport exhaust sounds good even with the FI engine
-Looks markedly better than the 991

But the GT3 made it feel like a waste of time. I got back in my M4 and knew the only Porsche I'd be happy in is the one built by Porsche's motorsport team.
I test drove a huracan and a 488 before going with the Porsche, as the daily usability was important to me, however I am resisting driving any GT car not to regret my decision. Here in the middle east, GT cars depreciate just as much as regular production, and used super cars can be had at a great discount.
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Congrat's.

A little surprised to hear the M3 is quiet and comfortable ride compared to a 992. My 911's had a more comfortable and compliant ride than my F80 M3, which was rather harsh.
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...or a much faster but American badged car)
One of my fellow track rat owns a big GM dealer. He extensivelly tracked all Corvette variants since he can have them for very very cheap. However, he now owns and tracks a 991.2 GT3RS. I think that's quite telling.
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Agreed. F80 cooling is amazing.

I thought later c7z and zr1 fixed the cooling
From what I was told by him, only the MT got fixed, the AT still struggles.
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One of my fellow track rat owns a big GM dealer. He extensivelly tracked all Corvette variants since he can have them for very very cheap. However, he now owns and tracks a 991.2 GT3RS. I think that's quite telling.
That is quite a strong endorsement for the RS

If heís able to share more details about why he prefers it to zr1 or z06 i would really appreciate it. I havenít come across too many people with experience on both those platforms.
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That is quite a strong endorsement for the RS

If he’s able to share more details about why he prefers it to zr1 or z06 i would really appreciate it. I haven’t come across too many people with experience on both those platforms.
i've had that chat with him, I will limit my input here as I don't want to over interpret was he's told me. But from what I gather, it is the overall experience, the driving feel and pleasure from the precision engineering as well as the piece of mind that comes the bullet proof track capability of the GT P-cars.
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OP, was your F80 tuned? And if so, you still think the 992S is faster on a straight line or on pulls? I know the 992S is definitely underrated in power. My current F82 is on bm3 stage1, and Iím strongly considering a 992S next.
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Drove a 992 2S today. Puts down power perfectly and pulls.

Jumping into my car right after made it feel like a 328! It was cooler outside and re71r tires were cold. Tires just spin.

992 is well worth the premium IMO.
I've driven 911 4s, turbo and 2015 gt3.
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OP, was your F80 tuned? And if so, you still think the 992S is faster on a straight line or on pulls? I know the 992S is definitely underrated in power. My current F82 is on bm3 stage1, and I’m strongly considering a 992S next.
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Drove a 992 2S today. Puts down power perfectly and pulls.

Jumping into my car right after made it feel like a 328! It was cooler outside and re71r tires were cold. Tires just spin.

992 is well worth the premium IMO.
I've driven 911 4s, turbo and 2015 gt3.
I was driving my m4 with a group of 911s
the 992 had traction in all places- I had none.

it's fast out of the box
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The M3 is a great car, but unique car that IMO does 2 diff things good, but not great.

Its decent for a daily (though a bit stiff IMO)

And its not bad on the track (or windy road), but something like a 911 would absolutely outperform it

So its left in this weird area where its an amazing sedan, but an average daily car and an average (probably below average tbh) track car

It has the best of both worlds, but doesnt do either that well.
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The M3 is a great car, but unique car that IMO does 2 diff things good, but not great.

Its decent for a daily (though a bit stiff IMO)

And its not bad on the track (or windy road), but something like a 911 would absolutely outperform it

So its left in this weird area where its an amazing sedan, but an average daily car and an average (probably below average tbh) track car

It has the best of both worlds, but doesnt do either that well.
I think thatís exactly the point of the M3/4 though. I will say, the 911 does do DDíing better but not if you haul kids or multiple adults. The 911 is definitely a weapon on track. My most recent event a stock 992S was right up there with some of the GT3s in terms of lap times. Really impressive kit.
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I like how the M3ís legit dual purpose capability has become so passe. Itís still the best to ever do it, by far.

M3 appreciation will be proportionate to maximization of use. Try this experiment --

Take a mildly modded E9X or F8X during winter, pack up track wheels and a weekís worth of gear. Drop your son at school the next morning and head south. Stop in the Appalachianís, drive mountain roads for a couple of days. Continue south, hit 2-3 tracks, run with 997 GT3s, Vettes, Mustangs, stripped out low powered race cars and dudes who admire that your family car, caked in road salt, is running with them. Drive home 1400 miles in reasonable comfort, 2X mpg, hand keys over to wife the next morning because she wants ďherĒ car back for the dayís drive.

Then revisit just how much M3ís suck and donít do anything particularly well.
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I like how the M3’s legit dual purpose capability has become so passe. It’s still the best to ever do it, by far.

M3 appreciation will be proportionate to maximization of use. Try this experiment --

Take a mildly modded E9X or F8X during winter, pack up track wheels and a week’s worth of gear. Drop your son at school the next morning and head south. Stop in the Appalachian’s, drive mountain roads for a couple of days. Continue south, hit 2-3 tracks, run with 997 GT3s, Vettes, Mustangs, stripped out low powered race cars and dudes who admire that your family car, caked in road salt, is running with them. Drive home 1400 miles in reasonable comfort, 2X mpg, hand keys over to wife the next morning because she wants “her” car back for the day’s drive.

Then revisit just how much M3’s suck and don’t do anything particularly well.
It almost sounds as if you've done this...no, never mind. Must have been a dream and a reasonably priced one at that!
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I like how the M3ís legit dual purpose capability has become so passe. Itís still the best to ever do it, by far.

M3 appreciation will be proportionate to maximization of use. Try this experiment --

Take a mildly modded E9X or F8X during winter, pack up track wheels and a weekís worth of gear. Drop your son at school the next morning and head south. Stop in the Appalachianís, drive mountain roads for a couple of days. Continue south, hit 2-3 tracks, run with 997 GT3s, Vettes, Mustangs, stripped out low powered race cars and dudes who admire that your family car, caked in road salt, is running with them. Drive home 1400 miles in reasonable comfort, 2X mpg, hand keys over to wife the next morning because she wants ďherĒ car back for the dayís drive.

Then revisit just how much M3ís suck and donít do anything particularly well.
PREACH BROTHER PREACH! I have very limited experience with nice cars but this car makes me want to get a license plate that says ďJADEDĒ because I canít come up with anthying that better describes why I feel the need to look for better cars, while every time I drive this car, it literally feels like perfection. It does so much, so well.
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It almost sounds as if you've done this...no, never mind. Must have been a dream and a reasonably priced one at that!
Lucky enough to have done it a few times. Some of my best automotive memories, not too costly! Tennessee is pretty cheap living.

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PREACH BROTHER PREACH! I have very limited experience with nice cars but this car makes me want to get a license plate that says ďJADEDĒ because I canít come up with anthying that better describes why I feel the need to look for better cars, while every time I drive this car, it literally feels like perfection. It does so much, so well.
Congrats and enjoy it to the fullest. Lot of grass is greener syndrome. All good to appreciate other marques (I do) and move on as life evolves, but don't miss out on everything the M3 has to offer.
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I think thatís exactly the point of the M3/4 though. I will say, the 911 does do DDíing better but not if you haul kids or multiple adults. The 911 is definitely a weapon on track. My most recent event a stock 992S was right up there with some of the GT3s in terms of lap times. Really impressive kit.
The F8X M3/4 is actually quite a good track car. How do I know? I've got over 120 track days with the F8X. It's also a very decent and practical daily driver. How do I know? I daily my M4cs, drive it through all 4-seasons, to work, to bring kids to school/activities, on road trips with the whole family, to the lumbar yard, etc.. It's not the best track car nor is it the best daily driver, but it sure is the best compromise and it is what has kept me coming back to the M3/4 for the last 20 years. Like I like saying fondly about my M3/4, they are not the best at anything, but they are second best at everything .

That being said, the G8X does not appeal to me, so I will also be one of those switching to a 992. I have a deposit down for a 2021 911turbo
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That being said, the G8X does not appeal to me, so I will also be one of those switching to a 992. I have a deposit down for a 2021 911turbo
Congrats on that. 911's seem to deliver > straight line acceleration than the hp indicates. 992 Turbo should pretty much eliminate track straights.

Ceramics are standard equipment?
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Congrats on that. 911's seem to deliver > straight line acceleration than the hp indicates. 992 Turbo should pretty much eliminate track straights.

Ceramics are standard equipment?
I am not sure if you saw the video by Tim Schrick I posted in another thread, but it now seems like the 992 turbo is quite the handler and is great to drive on track. That was my biggest incentive to get it over a C2S.

I am going for the turbo and not the turbo-S, so it comes with iron rotors (PCCB are standard on the -S only).
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I am not sure if you saw the video by Tim Schrick I posted in another thread, but it now seems like the 992 turbo is quite the handler and is great to drive on track. That was my biggest incentive to get it over a C2S.

I am going for the turbo and not the turbo-S, so it comes with iron rotors (PCCB are standard on the -S only).
Just saw it, looks like a blast.

Iron specs might be same as 991 GT? If so and you decide to upgrade pads, RSL 1 are very solid.
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I am not sure if you saw the video by Tim Schrick I posted in another thread, but it now seems like the 992 turbo is quite the handler and is great to drive on track. That was my biggest incentive to get it over a C2S.

I am going for the turbo and not the turbo-S, so it comes with iron rotors (PCCB are standard on the -S only).
Nice! Great choice and congratulations!

The 911 turbo has always been a phenomenal handler though. I think itís often overshadowed by the GT2/3/RS variants which are certainly sharper but the turbo is sharper than most anything else that isnít a track day special.

In 2017 for MotorTrendís best driver car comparison the Turbo placed 3rd and only missed first place by a couple votes. It placed behind the 488 and 718 S but beat out the ZL1 1LE Camaro, AMG GT-R, Giulia Quad, Corvette Grand Sport, Mclaren 570, Miata RF Club, and Nismo GT-R. Plenty of great driver cars and worth competitors too which should Be a testament to how precise and sharp they are.

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The M3 is a great car, but unique car that IMO does 2 diff things good, but not great.

Its decent for a daily (though a bit stiff IMO)

And its not bad on the track (or windy road), but something like a 911 would absolutely outperform it

So its left in this weird area where its an amazing sedan, but an average daily car and an average (probably below average tbh) track car

It has the best of both worlds, but doesnt do either that well.
The M3 is A jack of all trades, master of none.

Love it's all around utility and sportiness but the 911 is much more tuned in for spirited driving.
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