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      10-11-2020, 01:25 AM   #67
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The reason the 911 platform continues to enter these discussions is because the 911 platform is that good. The Shadow guy completely hacking up a driving dynamics discussion is obviously a neophyte level on the track and it perhaps makes little difference what car he drives on the track until he gets more experience.

People like this are best suited to a low hp momentum car until they actually develop car control skills. How do I know this . . . 30 plus years racing and 20 asa racing coach. The commentary says it all.

The F8X chassis is one of the worst I have owned. Period. Maybe decent for the price, but it pretty much sucks compared to what is out there if someone can spend a little more $$& and get a ground up, purposely designed sports car.

Someone with DECENT car control skills will quickly recognize how capable the newer 911 platforms are on the track and sadly the newer M stuff is pretty sad and has to utilize even more electronics because it is using engine power to compensate for poor chassis and handling to achieve respectable results.
While I’m sure everyone appreciates your input, I don’t believe that there is any need to denigrate someone’s skills personally without really knowing the other party (even then, its a no to me). Tolerance is lacking in this world today and this forum is one place where car enthusiasts should be able to speak freely and we can speak respect each other’s opinions.

Even if what you say is absolute fact ( and I don’t think it is), we’ve all seen instances where both platforms are very competitive. At 10/10s, it does come down to the individual driver and other factors.

Shadow, thanks for the awesome track vid. That was great driving at high speeds between you and the GT3s.
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Just came back from the Porsche dealer. They showed me around and took me to their "Ali Baba cave". One GT2RS Weisach pack, a pair of GT3RS and quite a few other beauties. But these two :
I'd have the one with the beechwood shifter.
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Yes, an absolute beginner, LOL

Let me know if you ever make it to VIR or the Glen, I've been doing this for a long time and love running into people who think a car brand makes them invincible at the track --it does not.

Only people on internet get all butthurt when told that car Y can be faster than car X at the track. I'm always hoping one of these Porsche fanboys meets up with me on track but unfortunately they feel safer behind their keyboards spouting out meaningless soundbytes such as 'dedicated sports car'. 'Dedicated sports car' means very little when you're trying to navigate turn 2 at the Glen at an appropriate speed and feel like your life is about to end.
I like shaking the Porsche troll tree and seeing what falls out. One day, one day, one of these people will come to the track and we'll have such entertaining videos for the forum!

Porsche trolls are so convinced of their superiority but if one ever were to come i'm sure it would be at least a 991.2 GT3.
Porsche troll:
1) Spends all day saying a base 991 is better than any BMW ever made because 'purpose built'
2) Comes to the track in a 991.2 GT3+ that's trailered, with extra aero, headers/cat removal, tune, 100 octane 500whp, Cup2R to 'show' how superior the car is vs a M3 that was driven to the track with tires in the back seat. So incredibly lame

I guess these 991 GT3 Cup cars were pretty surprised to see a car that drove to the track, full weight, bfr r1 tires from when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, come say hello in the rear view mirrors.
Awesome video and the sound quality with that external mic is amazing. Would love to see the look on that guys face in the Cup car.....

BFG R1 did not arrive in time for Laguna, but looking forward to trying them in a couple weeks at a Chuckwalla, the newly resurfaced Chuckwalla.
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Awesome video and the sound quality with that external mic is amazing. Would love to see the look on that guys face in the Cup car.....

BFG R1 did not arrive in time for Laguna, but looking forward to trying them in a couple weeks at a Chuckwalla, the newly resurfaced Chuckwalla.
I finally found a way to get good audio for vids in the CS! Just put the mike in the engine bay!

You'll like the R1. Not much more grip than the RE71 but super consistent and it wears like iron. Definitely requires suspension though.
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I finally found a way to get good audio for vids in the CS! Just put the mike in the engine bay!

You'll like the R1. Not much more grip than the RE71 but super consistent and it wears like iron. Definitely requires suspension though.
If it does not offer more grip than a RE71, why does it need a “suspension”?
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If it does not offer more grip than a RE71, why does it need a “suspension”?
I said 'not much more'. The R1 is a 2003 compound.
I wonder if the Nankang or the A052 are already there but if they are not it'll only take one more gen for full street tires to be there.

At least one other person has run a stickier tire than RE71 (an RR, also from the stone age) on the F8X and it doesn't work better, it works worse. I suppose the RE71 tire provides a level of grip which is close to the max the stock suspension can handle

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I said 'not much more'. The R1 is a 2003 compound.
I wonder if the Nankang or the A052 are already there but if they are not it'll only take one more gen for full street tires to be there.

At least one other person has run a stickier tire than RE71 (an RR, also from the stone age) on the F8X and it doesn't work better, it works worse. I suppose the RE71 tire provides a level of grip which is close to the max the stock suspension can handle
, thanks for the clarification.

I agree, PSC2/RE71R/NT01/R888R type tire is pretty much the max grip the stock suspension can handle.
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, thanks for the clarification.

I agree, PSC2/RE71R/NT01/R888R type tire is pretty much the max grip the stock suspension can handle.
Iím still on stock suspension and have tried Pirelli DH, Toyo RR and currently Nankang AR1. While all of these tires are fun, clearly too much for the stock suspension.

My goal was Randy Pobst time at Laguna with my stock CS, which is a 1:39.7 in base M4. Even with cheater tires, never got there. Looking forward to trying again with MCS suspension.
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