Why the sky is still not falling (A Compilation of F8X comparisons) - Updated 9/17

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by minn19

I'll be accused of being a fanboy, but regardless of where the M3 placed, that was a really annoying review to watch. For all three cars.

Nice start in the drag race by the M3 driver as well. It wasn't gonna win, but the start definitely didn't help.

Yeah, it seems like it was their first one ever (according to their youtube page) and probably the last one i'll watch (unless they do an F8X again)

I remain an inherent skeptic of anyone who says the ATS-V is the best looking car of the bunch (unless that person is blind....) so I may have my bias there.

And, yeah, that drag race was funny. Like a full half second delay as he tries to drop the clutch.

But it is useful to show how varied opinions on all 3 cars can be.

Most of the ATS-V reviews praise the engine noise, this one they panned it and praised the M3 (though still favouring the Benz)


HEY!

Just realized this is actually a repost - it is the same as the CNET one from January.

Not gonna count it twice.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1217948

[Powaup]

Wow this is amazing, thank you for putting this together. Should definitely be front page

[Sedan_Clan]

Great stuff.

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Great stuff.

Agreed, one of the best threads ever. Although, it should be renamed "F8x M3/4 haters, please read before posting unjustified critical comments (A compilation of F8x comparisons)".

[CSanto]

someone should do a percentage win in comparisons for the e46, the e92 and the F82

BOOM!

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by CSanto

someone should do a percentage win in comparisons for the e46, the e92 and the F82

BOOM!

That would be great, but the problem is finding the old data.

A lot of the old reviews/comparisons even for the E9X are already gone from the internet.

Here is my original 'sky not falling' thread where I noted that it was far from undefeated but I know that is nowhere near a complete list of E9X comparisons (or even of E9X losses), it was just what I could find with a little searching. Even then, some of those old links have probably gone dead in the time since I made the thread.

E46 will be even worse.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by myzmak

That would be great, but the problem is finding the old data.

A lot of the old reviews/comparisons even for the E9X are already gone from the internet.

Here is my original 'sky not falling' thread where I noted that it was far from undefeated but I know that is nowhere near a complete list of E9X comparisons (or even of E9X losses), it was just what I could find with a little searching. Even then, some of those old links have probably gone dead in the time since I made the thread.

E46 will be even worse.

Dear Lord that was a great post! I think it really shows how silly it is to follow these magazine reviews. They need to sell magazines and they are always looking for something to grab attention. Numb steering and bad sound on the E90 was my favorite. It's just history repeating itself. I feel bad for the M2 guys that right now are living in a world where they believe their car cannot do anything wrong. A year from now we'll be hearing about crappy sound, numb steering, poor "feel", not feeling "special", etc.

I, myself, may have lower standards. I enjoyed my E90 335 (except for the pot hole explosions) and my F30 335 even more so (which apparently I am in the minority). I am sure I will love the F80 when it finally gets into my hands. Each will be great in their own right. It's nice to compare tenths of a second around a track on forums to understand how these cars are improving in the hands of capable drivers but for everyday DD use on streets, it's hard to go wrong with any of these modern day sports/GT cars.

[kdtrieuan]

thanks! solid read

[baystint]

Comparison of what females find attractive LOL that is all

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by trey100

Dear Lord that was a great post! I think it really shows how silly it is to follow these magazine reviews. They need to sell magazines and they are always looking for something to grab attention. Numb steering and bad sound on the E90 was my favorite. It's just history repeating itself. I feel bad for the M2 guys that right now are living in a world where they believe their car cannot do anything wrong. A year from now we'll be hearing about crappy sound, numb steering, poor "feel", not feeling "special", etc.

I, myself, may have lower standards. I enjoyed my E90 335 (except for the pot hole explosions) and my F30 335 even more so (which apparently I am in the minority). I am sure I will love the F80 when it finally gets into my hands. Each will be great in their own right. It's nice to compare tenths of a second around a track on forums to understand how these cars are improving in the hands of capable drivers but for everyday DD use on streets, it's hard to go wrong with any of these modern day sports/GT cars.

I loved my F30 too, and I love my F8X's even more. The reality is that there's no way I'd want to go back to the older hydraulic steering. I jumped back & forth between my previously owned '14 F30 and my exes '11 128i M Sport, and I just really found it lacking.

[myzmak]

Updated the list at the top with a few new ones.

For those keeping track, out of 52 'competitions', F8X has won 32 of them (62%)

Again, heavily weighed down by British press - has won 12 of 24 there (50%). In USA press it has won 12/17 (71%) and in the rest of the world 8/11 (73%).

Also weighed down by the first couple of months of reviews where it won 4 of 9 (44%) - again, though, 7 of those 9 were British.

With its 'main' competitor (the current C63) it is 10 wins in 18 tries.

Most of the losses in the USA come from domestic competition (ATS-V, Corvette and even a Camaro SS) which proves local guys like their own cars.

So, through this point anyway, it is a car that some of the British press took a dislike to (not Chris Harris, who is a fan and owner), but the rest of the world has broadly appreciated and championed.

For those who like their data in table form, here y'all go.

[JibSTir13]

Looks like the F8X loses a lot more in the 2016 comparisons.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Looks like the F8X loses a lot more in the 2016 comparisons.

New competition, I wonder how much the LCI of the M4... CS version will change that... Its getting hot in this segment.

[BMWsully]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

New competition, I wonder how much the LCI of the M4... CS version will change that... Its getting hot in this segment.

It doesn't seem like many of the recent reviews / comparisons are utilizing the comp pack, which is odd.

[myzmak]

Originally Posted by BMWsully

It doesn't seem like many of the recent reviews / comparisons are utilizing the comp pack, which is odd.

? Since July of 9 comparisons 7 have involved the ZCP / Comp Pack

Originally Posted by JibSTir13

Looks like the F8X loses a lot more in the 2016 comparisons.

Yeah, a few things to note in the trends.

(1) Many of those comparisons are by certain members of the UK press (Autocar, Car, Autoexpress), who have taken a solid dislike of the car since the start. Same pattern when it was released - larger number of losses, driven mostly by the same UK sources. Skews the numbers a bit - not unlike the old E9X M3 had its major boosters in C&D who reviewed it against everything on the road, leading to a large number of (predictable) 'wins'. With this car, if Autocar or Car test it against my old 1988 Pontiac Firefly there are even odds the 3 banger Pontiac wins it.

(2) The USA comparisons have been with new 'Murican cars (ATS-V, Camaro SS, etc) and, as much as anywhere else in the world, American reviewers are homers for their home grown cars.

....not to downplay the growth of the American car industry in the last 5 years. The ATS-V was always a in this category, but by all accounts (except sales) it is a real challenger.

The fact the ATS-V can't sell, though, is a bit of a worry - how long will GM/Caddy continue to fund an 'M3 fighter' that nobody wants to buy, no matter how good it is?

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by trey100

Dear Lord that was a great post! I think it really shows how silly it is to follow these magazine reviews. They need to sell magazines and they are always looking for something to grab attention. Numb steering and bad sound on the E90 was my favorite. It's just history repeating itself. I feel bad for the M2 guys that right now are living in a world where they believe their car cannot do anything wrong. A year from now we'll be hearing about crappy sound, numb steering, poor "feel", not feeling "special", etc.

I, myself, may have lower standards. I enjoyed my E90 335 (except for the pot hole explosions) and my F30 335 even more so (which apparently I am in the minority). I am sure I will love the F80 when it finally gets into my hands. Each will be great in their own right. It's nice to compare tenths of a second around a track on forums to understand how these cars are improving in the hands of capable drivers but for everyday DD use on streets, it's hard to go wrong with any of these modern day sports/GT cars.

To be fair the E9x M3 doesn't sound that great exhaust wise stock. Its actually pretty docile. You can hear the intake way more than the exhaust.

[trey100]

Originally Posted by dmk08

To be fair the E9x M3 doesn't sound that great exhaust wise stock. Its actually pretty docile. You can hear the intake way more than the exhaust.

That was an old post of mine. I now have had my M3 for 7 months and as predicted - I love the car. People nitpick but to me this car is great. I love the sound (at least from in the car), the manual is fine, acceleration great, handling more than I can ever use on the street, and I love the SO color more each day. I don't care for attention but I must receive a compliment each day. Maybe I'm just east to please but like I said I've enjoyed my E90, F30, and now F80.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dmk08

To be fair the E9x M3 doesn't sound that great exhaust wise stock. Its actually pretty docile. You can hear the intake way more than the exhaust.

I have said the same thing for quite some time.

[badbimmer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I have said the same thing for quite some time.

The sounds of the E9x M3 are far better than the F80. There is no comparison. Both Intake and exhaust sound better than the F80. The sounds that come from the E9x M3 are just incredible.

I had an 2008 E92 M3, just traded it in for a new F80 and one thing I miss is the MOST is the sound experience. The active sound is embarrassing to say the least.

While it's true you can hear the E9x intake sounds over the exhaust, the stock 8 cyl exhaust still has an inherent sound you will never get from from the 6 cyl F80.

ummmm okay!!!!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by badbimmer

The sounds of the E9x M3 are far better than the F80. There is no comparison. Both Intake and exhaust sound better than the F80. The sounds that come from the E9x M3 are just incredible.

I had an 2008 E92 M3, just traded it in for a new F80 and one thing I miss is the MOST is the sound experience. The active sound is embarrassing to say the least.

While it's true you can hear the E9x intake sounds over the exhaust, the stock 8 cyl exhaust still has an inherent sound you will never get from from the 6 cyl F80.

ummmm okay!!!!

That's your opinion. Nobody said the E9X's motor didn't sound great. Pay attention to what was said and quoted.

[badbimmer]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's your opinion. Nobody said the E9X's motor didn't sound great. Pay attention to what was said and quoted.

It's a fact jack, not an opinion.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by badbimmer

It's a fact jack, not an opinion.

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