M4 vs. Cayman GTS

[M5 BAT]

I am replacing my modified 2012 Porsche Cayman R with the New M4 Coupe!
The Cayman R and new Cayman S & GTS are phenomenal cars; responsive steering, go-kart handling, superb looks & dynamics...however, they suffer from underpowered engines that lack low down torque and will likely leave you demanding more..

Unless you transplant a 3.8 engine in the car, or install a turbo kit, the Cayman will always be underpowered compared to the BMW M cars and Porsche 911.

Sure, you can argue that straight line performance is not everything, and that the Cayman is pound for pound, the better 'driver's car', but for a daily driver that offers higher refinement, more versatility, probably more than ample fun and great performance on track, the BMW M4 is the smarter choice! At least that was my justification :-)

Imagine an M4 with Wheel Spacers, Lowering Springs, Race Brake Pads, Performance Exhaust, Headers, Intake, ECU Tune, Lightweight Battery & R-Compound Tires!
This is making me forget about my Cayman R very quickly!!

[gago1101]

Originally Posted by M4 BAT

..however, they suffer from underpowered engines that lack low down torque and will likely leave you demanding more..

After one drives and gets used to low end torque, there is no going back.

[Milban]

Torque- the gift that keeps on giving...agreed.
I struggle with the Porsche options every day.

[Powaup]

Cayman GTS is soooo f'n sexy. But my build came out to $93K .... Thats a fully loaded M4 with performance parts

[Robertyu]

Originally Posted by trucheli

I had the same idea and I went to test drive the Cayman S. Big disappointment coming from driving E92s for four years. I don't think that the M3E92 or F82 are in the same league. I found the Cayman underpowered and I would never buy one. If I were to jump to the other side I wouldn't go lower than a Carrera S. At $30,000 price difference I think that the M4/M3 have better value and lower cost of ownership.

That's odd, I had not quite the same experience. I test drove a 981 CS and it felt awesome, and not underpowered compared to my M3. I knew up top it was going to be stronger, but very close below 110 or so. My Vbox seemed to agree, on the same road after the Cayman was broken in after purchase. The M3 managed 4.6 0-60 and 1/4 mile in 12.89 @ 113. The Cayman managed 0-60 in 4.3, and the 1/4 mile in 12.66 @ 112. These are both DCT/PDK cars. Just driving around, the Cayman did not feel underpowered to me at all, in fact, it felt a bit more responsive down low. Although I tend to drive in manual mode, the PDKs programming in auto mode was light years ahead in always being in the right gear for me. Above 120 mph, the M3 would walk the cayman until it hits the speed limited at least.

The new M4 should run from a Cayman S or GTS, but we'll see how it goes before I come back. I would have a hard time moving on from this Porsche, I must say, it's become something special to be, beyond any other car I've owned.

[Dannys M3]

Wow beautiful color and nice exhaust.

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

best handling car in the world along with the GTx Porsches.

[phoenx]

Wow that sounds great!

[Rambler]

G'damn, that sounds amazing. I was sweating watching this!

[Milban]

The most gorgeous compound curves in the automotive world.
I'm slipping too, to the least practical, true love.

[Sparco]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

best handling car in the world along with the GTx Porsches.

Back in September, I had the opportunity to visit the Porsche factory in Leipzig and drive back to back a new Cayman and a 997 carrera s both with PDK. I had an hour of track time playing lead follow with a buddy and an instructor. Make no mistake, the Cayman is the real deal. We where flogging both cars having a terrific time chasing the instructor. Hands down the Cayman outhandles the 911. Its just sooooo expensive once its optioned out. On top of that, Porsche typically doesn't have a strong lease program, which pushes me to to a simple optioned M4. Anyone else contemplating this??

[JustChris]

4 seats kept me in the M4, Cayman is a superb motor.

[48Laws]

I can smell the clutch through my screen wth is driving??

[Imola3]

I want this. Im 50/50

[M5 BAT]

I don't need 4 seats and still pick an M4 over a Cayman GTS as my daily driver!
The Cayman GTS is a superb handling car, but will leave you hungry for more power & torque...

[Rambler]

Originally Posted by M4 BAT

I don't need 4 seats and still pick an M4 over a Cayman GTS as my daily driver!
The Cayman GTS is a superb handling car, but will leave you hungry for more power & torque...

Actually, no it won't. Been there with turbo torque on several past cars, including 500+ lb ft. I'll take a high revving screamer every time while they still exist. Even my 987 CS didn't have me longing for more power. Having to wind it out was part of the fun.

[consolidated]

Originally Posted by M4 BAT

I don't need 4 seats and still pick an M4 over a Cayman GTS as my daily driver!
The Cayman GTS is a superb handling car, but will leave you hungry for more power & torque...

Cayman GT(X) should fix that. Rumors of about 400hp. I'd take it over any 911 except a 991 GT3RS.

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by Rambler

Actually, no it won't. Been there with turbo torque on several past cars, including 500+ lb ft. I'll take a high revving screamer every time while they still exist. Even my 987 CS didn't have me longing for more power. Having to wind it out was part of the fun.

+1…a cayman S is fast car. Anything 300hp and up is more than enough for the street and especially when its only 3100 lbs as the cayman S is. It will also dust everything short of a GT3 or 458 on a windy road and will do the same on the track as they are so easy to push and at the limit are planted and very easy to control.

[M5 BAT]

Having come from a GT3 and a heavily modified 987 Cayman R, and having recently driven the new Cayman S on road & track, I have to admit, the Cayman's are strong performers, but have their short comings: stock brakes and suspension set up needs upgrading to get the most out of the handling. Performance and engine capacity is clearly held back by Porsche vs. the 911. Once you add the options, pricing on the Cayman GTS is over the top high and very close to the 911.

Even with a heavily modified Cayman R or stock Cayman S, you still have to wind the car up to high rpm's to get strong acceleration and by this point you're way over the speed limit...this car needs 400+hp for me to consider it again.

Looking forward to feeling the low down torque and everyday usability of an M4. Hopefully, I won't be disappointed with the switch!

[bimmerj]

Originally Posted by M4 BAT

Having come from a GT3 and a heavily modified 987 Cayman R, and having recently driven the new Cayman S on road & track, I have to admit, the Cayman's are strong performers, but have their short comings: stock brakes and suspension set up needs upgrading to get the most out of the handling. Performance and engine capacity is clearly held back by Porsche vs. the 911. Once you add the options, pricing on the Cayman GTS is over the top high and very close to the 911.

Even with a heavily modified Cayman R or stock Cayman S, you still have to wind the car up to high rpm's to get strong acceleration and by this point you're way over the speed limit...this car needs 400+hp for me to consider it again.

Looking forward to feeling the low down torque and everyday usability of an M4. Hopefully, I won't be disappointed with the switch!

A bit surprised. I have a Cayman S, but not a track person. I usually get invited to track events and try to enjoy them. I disagree with everything you had to say here.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=830944&page=2

[flanast]

What king of money r we talking about here?

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