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01-04-2017, 03:37 AM | #89 | |
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lol while this may be a true statement, i can certainly think of a situation or instance where it would be fairly unsafe to stop the car's motion immediately. i just got my F82 and am frantically trying to figure out if there's a way to shield the oil cooler better, chicken wire ghetto style or not. i didnt lease my car and i wanted to drive it for a good while .. this thread actually has me spooked a bit on keeping it. |
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How easy is it to run over something on the highway or interstate or have something kicked up into your grill area. Its one thing to scuff up the underside, but completely another to blow the entire engine. Never heard of such bs on any high end performance car including the Italians. The whole not being able to put the thing in neutral for towing without starting it for a few seconds and detonating the engine is a complete joke in and of itself, but when compounded by the fact that such actions can cost you $40k for a mid level level car that does not cost much more than $40k is hilarious. BMW should prove the catastrophic event was not caused by their tow truck operator's instructions to start the car after all the oil drained out as opposed to damage occurring prior to pulling over and all the oil leaking out. Bad design by BMW for both the oil cooler and transmission. BMW also needs to ensure that their Roadside Assistance approved tow companies know what they are doing and do not start or instruct others to start potential oil starved engines. Setting aside a fan boy mentality, this should be a BMW issue if for no other reason to force BMW to take a few easy steps to ensure this does not happen to more unsuspecting owners and tow companies. Going after a few a tow companies turning these things on will also help pressure BMW to correct problems through 3rd party indemnity mechanisms. |
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Can you unequivocally say the catastrophic damage did not occur only after the oil completely drained out and the the car was later turned on to put it into neutral? There are examples linked where turning the car on to put car in neutral for towing was sufficient in and of itself to kill the engine. My guess is there was still oil circulating when the guy pulled over if there was any left on the ground where he pulled over and stopped. |
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This is a design flaw and brand loyal fans don't seem to want to accept it. I love my car, but this is unacceptable. It's not reasonable that an oil cooler be the Achilles heel of this car and that we should buy aftermarket products to protect it. This isn't a cold air intake system!
I know I would not personally accept this as my tough luck and pray that my insurance covers it. If insurance does cover it, who is responsible for the increase in premiums, if they don't drop you? Someone should, and will take legal action and set precedent. Until then, BMW will not do anything to rectify the issue(s) including who they contract their roadside assistance service to and a potential solution to the problem. |
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Yeah all my statements in this thread assumed the moderate message. If it actually said "Low Oil Pull Over now" its the OP fault or driving 7 miles after that. I would still try and make my insurance company cover it though.. trust me they wouldnt think twice about screwing you over.
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Do you know how much oil had leaked out or was still circulating in his engine before he stopped? Would the oil pressure light get triggered simply by virtue of having a hole in the system causing a decrease in pressure before any substantial amount of oil even leaked out? Do you know how much leaked out after he stopped? Do you know how much was present when the tow truck operator told him to turn it on? Do you know how much damage had been done to the engine prior to the tow truck operator telling him to turn it on several times and even drive it in reverse? . . . and saying the OP sucks says more about you than the OP. I feel for the guy as he surely did not want this to happen, but I more irritated by the fact that BMW builds a car that cannot be put into reverse without running and then send a tow truck operator out that tells the guy to turn on his car when a puddle of oil is underneath it. Last edited by 996ttelise; 01-04-2017 at 10:07 AM.. |
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You are essentially claiming that you'd be all too happy to stop your car anytime, anywhere, no matter what. I call BS. Complete BS. And I don't see any reason to discuss it further. Quote:
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Could the OP have prevented this with more timely decision making? Maybe. But quite possibly not, given the situation with the car needing to be turned on after sitting with oil leaking out in order to be towed, and in turn due to the ignorance of the tow truck driver about that situation. |
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01-04-2017, 10:12 AM | #100 |
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I would have been lived if they told me becuase i turned the engine on its on me, then code the engine off in a failure like that, once its of,f its off till bmw puts is back on. This is BMW's problem. In any case all BMW N. America and get someone on the horn and let your insurance know so that the big pockets can battle it out
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The issue is whether the catastrophic damage occurred before or after the tow truck operator told him to start the car, drive it in reverse and start it up again several times after the oil had leaked out. I am sure you could get experts on both sides of this issue and no one will never know for sure . . . so it could be possible that OP will get stuck with a bill for damage his actions did not cause. I also think the warning needs to be stop immediately as I might even perceive that warning as just a low oil light. it also does not sound like the engine was oil starved for a considerable distance so difficult to say when damage occurred: after 1 mile, 3 miles, 6 miles or when no oil and driven after tow truck arrived. I have also been in a situation where my wife was driving, hit a pot hole on the interstate, blew out a tire and I told her to keep going until an exit as I did not want us and a four-year old sitting on the side of a busy interstate. At the time, I was more concerned about getting wife and small child to an exit than damage to rim or caused by tire flapping around. This is just a bad situation and that cooler either needs more protection or a different location. |
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Isn't this an insurance job? A friend once had his engine replaced after he'd damaged the sump and the engine lunched itself, he just claimed on his insurance for it.
I understand why BMW doesn't want to pay out for accidental damage to the car isn't that what insurance is for?
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Why does the car allow you to start the engine without oil (or running low)? Again something BMW could have prevented?
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Your statement was "Traffic is NEVER bad enough to NOT be able to pull over". The fact that, in the examples I gave, these drivers' disabled vehicles cause major traffic backups - regardless of exactly how and why they ended up coming to rest where they did - is exactly the proof you need to refute your statement. Quote:
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It would seem to me that BMW needs to push a software update to their DCT cars so something like holding the shifter left for X number of seconds while in ACC mode will engage neutral without having to turn the engine on. Just like hitting the start/stop button doesn't do anything if you are above a certain speed, but holding it while above a certain speed will kill the engine for emergency purposes.
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The fact of the matter is, it is absolutely possible to cause further harm to already damaged equipment merely by following a reasonable process of stopping or attempting to stop it in a safe manner. You seem to desperately want to debate that there is not even a single extenuating circumstance - never has been, never will be, never could be ("NEVER" in all caps even, you so proudly shouted) - where this is the case. But you are wrong. We're going to end this discussion now. |
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01-04-2017, 11:51 AM | #110 |
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I wonder if BMW corporate reads these forums? Anyways, I can understand why they wouldn't warranty it. I mean it's not their fault the oil cooler hit debris (or whatever it was) in the road. What they could be blamed for was bad engineering (at least to non-engineer, lol) for sticking the oil cooler under the car where it is vulnerable. I'm hoping this gets sorted amicably either by BMW or insurance somehow. After reading this, it makes me nervous about lowering the car and driving on less than perfect road surfaces. I'm kidding of course.....sorta.
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