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You also selectively responded/quoted a portion of my post and ignored the rest which could address your corroboration theory. Has GM never once sent ringer/hot cars to press? WTF was up with the car they made Leno drive. Every time Leno tried to get on it, he had that face like a kid in the candy store with his hand getting swatted every time he reached for candy. But hey, the convertible top is cool! Last edited by 996ttelise; 12-09-2019 at 11:37 PM.. |
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12-09-2019, 11:31 PM | #222 |
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we are finally getting the corvette as an official import here in Aus
not so keen on the regular c8, but def interested in a z06/zr1 spec car - more power, higher rev limit, ceramics, possibly even the shorter rear end off the racecar i hope to sort the weird overhang |
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FormulaMMM, we need a dick measuring or name dropping emoji.
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Why would they deliver the car in track spec? Is this range of adjustability a bad thing? Pobst reports "2 to 3 seconds faster with less fall-off and better grip on a long run" in track spec. I fail to see the problem or failure on Chevy's part. You race Cup cars, so surely you know that a track-specific alignment is not ideal for street purposes and vice versa. Your buddy who owns 4 dealerships and also races Cup cars -- did he say why he believes the Vette is short on power or specs?
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12-10-2019, 10:44 AM | #225 |
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Speaking of cars as extensions of manhood, is your 1LE making it out of the garage on the all seasons??
This is a GM friendly thread and mine, so we can deviate for a moment before learning more about why the new Vette actually sucks.
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I love the thing warts and all and drive it whenever I get the chance to. The LT4 is my favorite engine out of the Voodoo/S55 of which I've had previously. It doesn't rev to the moon, but it is linear like the N/A V8, but fast like the S55 when you want to be. The little bit of fun I've been able to have with it makes me really want to get to a track soon. The cornering is unreal and I'm not even on R comps or on a track alignment. The power is of course a lot of fun and I haven't been able to truly use it to its full potential yet. The Pilot A/S 3s have been surprisingly good. Can still have some fun/hard pulls with them and they do relatively ok on snow and ice. I only drive it when it is dry or damp out, but my neighborhood is pretty secluded and our street with a decent hill always has snow/ice cover for the duration of the winter. It hasn't burned any oil from what I can tell. Working on it is very easy for fluid changes (except the tranny is a bit harder due to space issues) and it hasn't had any issues except for some rattles. It is easily my favorite manual transmission in terms of feel etc. I can definitely see this not being a lot of peoples type of car due to the well know visibility issues, cramped/chintzy/dated cabin parts (I still hate GM's running gear/switchgear). This thing does ride rough to and that is an understatement depending on the roads. Buit, it mostly is comparable to my ZCP lowered on HAS. It is a blast to drive like my GT350 was with more power/better suspension and so far no reliability issues. Edit: I'm definitely over compensating as well. Last edited by minn19; 12-10-2019 at 12:14 PM.. |
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This dude posts some great in car track content. He's fast, shows just how capable the 1LE is.
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RE: Tires and Suspension Settings Sure more neg camber will chew through tires, but the crux of my comment was different than the focus of your response. I thought it strange that the track setting made the car more stable, especially when the characteristics of the street/factory setting is bad mid-corner understeer followed by progressive trailing throttle oversteer. Street settings usually dial out the extreme characteristics, especially snap or progressively worse trailing throttle oversteer. I wonder if they also touched toe or if toe is neutral in track or street settings? RE: 2/3 Seconds. Were they on VIR Grand/Full? Those are pretty llloooonnngggggg. |
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I haven’t, not a big Leno fan or that his garage show. Nothing against him, just not my cup of tea.
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The lead engineer for the C8 project is with him and really goes into deep explanation about many aspects of the car. Its actually pretty cool. Here it is: |
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As far as sending ringers, I can't think of Corvette they sent to the press since the introduction of the C5 that didn't perform the same in the hands of customers. If there was, I'd like to see it. |
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Sorry, I know manufacturers always send ringers, but it is harder to do so with a N/A engine than a F/I. I know they can still tweak stuff, but you don't get the jump you would with a F/I car. |
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As usual the Corvette is going to have it's detracters and haters.
I have to say, this is one badass car. Going to LOL when a 60k car smokes about everything else up to 2x the price and the Z will blow nearly everything else away except only the most insanely elite of cars. I'm impressed with GM for once in 50yrs...haha. And wait until the aftermarket shops get a hold of this thing and get mods for suspension etc...gheez. You will be seeing 1000hp Vettes in short order. They are way more of enthusiast that crowd than M owners. Most come from muscle car with newer tech adapted mentality like myself. Of course, like I do all cars I buy, I wait about 3-4 years for the price to grenade to about 40% of original, find a babied well taken care of sample, then buy it. so maybe 2024 to 2025 would be interested in one. About the time my youngest gets out of college...haha.
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Rumor is a 7:28 ring time on PS4S tires. Base Z51 (no wing).
Good context from the group that publicized the time: "Officially tested by Chevrolet, a C6 Corvette ZR1 with its 638 horsepower LS9 V8 managed a 7:19.63, while German auto magazine Sport Auto managed to fire off a lap time of 7:13.90 with a C7 Z06. Just as well, the Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 1LE clocked an absurd 7:16.04 with a factory driver. For further comparison, a 7:28.30 (factory tested) lap time puts the C8 Stingray in between the 2007 Porsche 911 GT2 (7:32) and BMW M4 GTS (7:27.88). However, these vehicles represent the performance ceiling of what’s capable from the factory out of their respective platforms. The Stingray represents the floor for the C8 program. And judging by what’s coming down the pipe for the new mid-engine Corvette, that time is bound to improve radically." Latest on the Z06 is that it will be n/a, flat-plane crank, and around 600 bhp. So, less than the C7 Z06 w/ 650. Chevy potentially being the first to get it that after a certain amount of power is achieved, engine characteristics > engine power figures. About time somebody did. Paging M division
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The Porsche ceiling of the outgoing 991s was in the 6:47 to 6:56 range for GT3 RS. The old 997.2 GT2 RS 9 years ago was something like 7:18. The 991 turbo and the 991 GT3 are considerable faster than 7:18. I am assuming this was a factory driver? Let's see what Gebhardt runs as his times tend to be slower than factory tests, but are good for comparisons to other cars he has logged Ring times in. A good, but expected time from the C8 with good power on tap. |
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I'm old enough to still value 997 reference points, but yes, author forgot about the 997 GT2 RS. Believe that is the only 997 gen car to go faster than the base Z51 C8, though. As for whether any C8 will have a 991.2 GT2 RS sub-7 minute time, shouldn't for <1/3 the price. But 7:28 on PS4S and base Z51 is a proper starting point. Consider that Cup 2 R alone, which Porsche has used to break various track records, would drop that time substantially.
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Speaking to the C8's potential, R will begin to inform platform development in a few weeks. Connection between Z06 and R versions immediately stronger than previous gen due to shared powerplant (likely).
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